Sugoroko, the guy with the Spinning thing that is used in the funniest EX move in the game…FIREWORKS…
Vids are existant…thats how I learned about FIREWORKS…
Ask earwig…I know for a fact he plays him.
Thanks for the Yunfei stuff DG.
Daddynep- No prob.
Here it is…Goddess Athena Primer I of many!
Goddess Athena NGBC Primer I-
***DG G.Athena Disclaimer: Okay this is one of the characters I have worked hard to make a threat since the game came out in 2005 to PS2. I will share some of the things I do for now but keep in mind things are changing rapidly as I adapt her so much of this stuff though it may apply is not exactly how I play her. I even play her somewhat different than the EVO World vids you saw, and certainly will by NEC8. So don?t think just because of what I post you got me figured out?Hahhaa.
-First thing first know that while Athena does not necessarily need meter, her Meter is valuable! If you want to think how I play Athena, you need to consider Athena how I play her as a mix of Strider, Yun, and Sentinel. While the Strider and Yun may be obvious, I ain?t telling you the Sentinel, that shall be saved for NEC8!! :devil:
- As far as her specials are concerned, Mermaid Kick DP+K has a lot of priority and very few things beat it as an anti air, it also lands on the opposite side of your opponent blocked, screwing up their timing for combos?so keep that in mind. I prefer DP+D over DP+b because I track the opponent and land in their face when they tech or wakeup.
-Shield Flip (qcb+A/C)- Another one of her best moves. Why? This move not only crosses up your opponents but is AN OVERHEAD. So yeah it must be blocked high, on top of this though it?s not totally safe only a few things can punish it off GCFS ONLY. This move can also be used as an Anti-Air if timed right as you will see me do. Mix up Shield Flip (overhead, crosses up, cant tech it if it hits!) with her slide and a throw and you got a SOLID WAKEUP GAME.
-Reflect- Another one of Athena?s best moves. It has more priority than MERMAID KICK. It can be used as an Anti Air and where Mermaid Kick fails, this will either beat it straight up or TRADE at the worst. What?s best about this move in addition to what I said? This is what you need to use for battery and in addition to this, this move is ANTI-CROSSUP…thus meaning those that like to crossup like Kim and do Backturned Tricks?this will stop it!!
-BNB Athena combos-
a. cr.bx2 to B/D Mermaid Kick (Low)
b. cr.bx3 to b/D Mermaid Kick (Low)
c. cr.ax2 to Mermaid Kick (High- hence why I DON?T USE IT)
d. St.ax2 to Mermaid Kick (High- Use it rarely)
e. St ax2 to Deadly Assault (A DG Specialty of mine?if I get this I get FREE HEALTH)
**DG Free Health Parlor Trick #1- **After a Deadly Assault because you wakeup backturned plus you cannot tech DA?s PLUS you are on the other side of the screen, Plant a Heal Plant (down, down A+C) and then slide underneath it to get the health. To make it even more consuming, I now slide into Reflect so that if they throw a projectile or jump it will reflect or they will get hit. You have enough time to slide and block and get the health. Don?t think this is all the Athena Parlor tricks I have, I have MANY MANY Parlor Tricks with Athena, I ain?t saying them all quite yet! Also by doing reflect after slide to catch the plant you build your SUPER METER, meaning yes its almost glitchy…hehe…you build health AND build meter at the same time!
DG Free Meter Trick #2- If you are full on health or satisfied with your health, you need to plant the Super Gauge Plant- (down, down B+D), which looks the same as the Heal Plant and?THE INFAMOUS BOMB PLANT. Getting ideas here…aha alas you see they all look the same hehehe. Now slide and grab the Gauge plant which will give you a meter of super, then do reflect and watch your super gauge practically explode…its almost broken how much meter you gain total?..
The ?Fire? vs. the Tornado-
-I know you all been waiting for some of my Fire tricks. Well first I need to tell you rarely if EVER use Athena?s Tornado (qcfx2+C) over the fire because the tornado once you hit her out of it IT DISSAPEARS…not the case with Athena’s Fire?(qcfx2 +A). You can release Athena?s fire onto your opponents via doing another qcfx2+a, doesn?t cost a meter. Same with Tornado, do another qcfx2 +C to release. Fire is much better because it creates hit stun, follows a long distance, HURTS, and doesn?t launch the opponent high like the follow tornado where you cannot do anything to them until they wake up!!!
That?s enough Goddess Athena for now…this should get you started?.
(Archived)
-Dark Geese
Help me out with those vids then Lucas, I can’t find them at all.
D:
Lukus, your info is awesome, tho it’d be even better if you archived it all. :3
You can hit Athena out of the fire and nullify it if you hit her correctly on activation. Example would be K’ does Narrow Spike -> Heat Drive, the Heat Drive will combo off of the Narrow Spike and bye-bye fire.
The Answer suddenly pops up, WTF!
I’m working on my KOF XI tournament, so start practicing those QS combos.
I got a new 2nd team, Eiji/Kyo/Gato, and now I’m ready to bring the pain.
Yes Blake all that is in my second Primer coming up if someone decides to ask me to do it…everyone knows Athena can be hit out of the fire on startup…nothing new there.
Kayin- Thanks man, but It’d be hard to Archive EVERYTHING…lol.
Chibi- No prob…I’m sure I cna find some…thats where I’ve seen the EX and learnt of its existence.
You talked about it as if you couldn’t nullify the fire when you hit out of it, which isn’t the case. Doesn’t matter if you hit her out of it on startup or when she’s in the middle of something, if you can hit her with enough of a combo, you can nullify her fire. Don’t hide shit boyo. :arazz:
Hey Geese its been a while since ive posted but i wanted to find out what ever happened to all the evo east footage man?!?
Man EVO East footage is either not coming or coming…either way I’ve pretty much given up on it.
Blake- It has to be ENOUGH of a combo…quite enough to make the fire dissappear…it has staying power. I could type out more but I aint going to, I’ve typed up enough about Athena for now and I wont type up more for a little while…
So yeah Im gonna continue to “hide shit boyo.” :lovin: I’m hiding shit now to tell you the truth, I cant give away everything I do…I CAN give a outline of how to play her plus little things that I do that ARE OLD…meaning I’ve adapted quite a bit to how I play her now.
I’m even wary about Bomb Trap setups…matter of fact I aint posting Bomb Trap setups…and dont think you know them all…you might know one or two…because if you do know them all then watch me CATCH YOU WITH ONE (Bomb/Health/Super Gauge Setup) YOU HAVENT SEEN. :devil:
So yeah I admit I’m “hiding shit”…OPENLY… :lovin: :wgrin:
What player (esp top) is gonna tell you especially the public EVERY DAMN THING THEY DO???
Do they not get it…that is WORKING AGAINST THEM? I was once told…“Knowlegde is power.”
I was basically comparing The Fire to the Tornado…Fire is better for two reasons…longer staying power…and you can do more after you launch it.
You should of givin me the tapes like I had asked. Those vids would of been up less then a week after…
Who was in charge of those vids again man?
lol wtf leave it to Lukus to go on a rant when I was just clarifying one of his potentially misleading statements.
Real top players DON’T CARE if you know all of their tricks, they beat you anyway because they are superior players and they know it.
I think the only way to nullify Athena’s Fire after activation is to hit her with a non-recoverable knockdown move/combo.
I don’t think you can recover from K’ Narrow Spike xx Heat Drive, can you?
Not sure if you can recover from Heat Drive, but the flame went away the instant she got hit by the Heat Drive and not when she landed, so I dunno how the knockdown comes into play there.
I agree and disagree Blake…I still tell you that everyone has their secrets…
Like the saying “Everyone has skeletons in their closets.”
How many times you see Justin Wong posting Marvel stuff? How often do you see The Triad posting THEIR STUFF???
That’s right NOT MUCH.
I post to help people out that want to be helped…after that…IT ENDS…:china:
The real top players dont care eh? Why do I keep reading about people not saying stuff or “saving stuff” before SBO and other things like that?
I am from the new school…“I dont give anyone the keys to my car for free…THEY GOTTA EARN IT.”
We are just from different schools of thought Blake thats all.
Whatever gets the job done I say…my Style works and so does yours.
There is no one right way to do things…
Also I look at it like this…YOUR ENEMIES ARE READING EVERYTHING YOU POST.
So why I might not be concerned about the average NGBC player…I do have archrivals Cough The Triad That would LOVE reading me telling people everything how I play Athena…
Free news to them…
Think about it…
I would say that in Justin’s case it doesn’t matter if he posts his shit or not because he’s gonna win anyway, as he’s demonstrated in almost every tournament he enters for every game that he enters. I would also say it doesn’t matter for the Triad because if you search hard enough, you will find every trick and ‘gimmick’ they use or have used in NGBC. You don’t see these players post because they are usually too busy actually playing the games or doing other stuff. Interest or lack thereof in the subject matter on the forums is another factor (see: NGBC).
In addition, “saving stuff” only really matters when the players are at a certain level of play, good enough players will figure your shit out the first time they see it, so hiding gimmicks from them doesn’t mean much because against a good player that strategy has no staying power.
It happens, but I feel that you grossly overvalue hiding your strats and I have always felt that the way you try to flaunt that shit online is kind of sad. If you’re gonna save shit for a tournament, then keep your mouth shut about it because ranting about all your little tricks is just obnoxious and is not conductive to what you are trying to accomplish by posting strats in the first place, ie teaching people how to play the game. That’s probably my only real problem with you doing that shit, I don’t really care if you hide strats or not.
huh?
what happened to the EVO world SST vids?
Agreed. Where is SST Evo vids?
Also, every top player I’ve ever met has given me open advice on their play when asked, in public. That includes NKI, Jason Cole, and Graham Wolfe.
I don’t like to sound like a scientific, but it happens in the beginning because the property of not recoverable knockdown activates as soon as the attack hits, doesn’t have anything to do with touching the ground or not after. Even so I don’t know if that’s what does it, but what I do know is that that property enters with the hit.