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At high levels of play, even SRKs aren’t easy. Nobody can ever claim 100% accuracy with uppercuts especially in regards to clutch moments. During tense matches, especially in tournaments, hands tend to freeze up and people tend to panic. If it was a simple button press, the nature of the game would be completely different, and more watered-down.

The genius of charge characters is that it technically lowers execution requirements of select members of the roster. If you’re bad at doing command motions, as some people naturally are, they are given a whole new set of characters that have generally lower execution requirements in terms of left-hand dexterity, but in return, they’re forced to make smart decisions as to how to utilize charge times.

Call of Duty isn’t even remotely the Mario of FPS games. It’s the joke. Any hardcore FPS gamer who still remembers the inception of the genre doesn’t give an ounce of respect to modern CoD games. The game peaked at Cod 4, and since then, each iteration has watered down the series with more casual-core elements. Even Mario games still haven’t even come close to it’s peak era with Super Mario World and Yoshi’s Island series.

Besides, comparing platforming against fighting games is a rather difficult stretch to make. Tight controls, solid mechanics, and good level-design is all that’s really required to make a good platforming game. Multiplayer games have considerably more facets to consider, since high-level competition serves as a sort of magnifying glass that will highlight every element of a game, both the good and the bad.

Accessibility is fine as long as it doesn’t affect negatively affect the meta-game at the intermediate and higher levels of play.

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I agree, nothing is 100% accurate, least of all SRK or (at least for me) 360 motions and supers. I don’t agree that the game would be watered down, though, as that implies other good fighting games with easy inputs are. It would be somewhat different, though, which may or may not be bad in some regards. If you compare HDR to the original SF2 it is significantly different, but better IMO.

True, the trade-off for charge characters is nice, providing a type of medium in regards to input.

I have played my share of FPS, from Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Turok to CoD, Halo and Battlefield. I’m not huge into the genre but CoD is by far the best in terms of sheer mechanics. It’s so silky smooth, and everything just clicks. I still get my ass kicked by 12 yearolds online but I can’t blame the gameplay.

CoD: W@W was great, too. After that it started slipping but it still sells for a reason, it’s good.

Gotta completely disagree with you on Mario’s peak, though. SMB3 set the standard. It seems there’s two camps, one for SMW and also SMB3. I stand firmly in the latter but acknowledge SMW is good.

I wasn’t directly comparing FPS nor Platformers to Fighters, just showing how lowering the bar of entry is not necessarily a bad thing unless the skill of the game suffers (Brawl, anyone?). Inputs don’t need to be what seperates the boys from the men. My example showed how a Mario game can still provide ample challenge with solid mechanics; the principle translates well. Same for CoD/Battlefield. BF controls like a brick compared to CoD, but it still draws its own crowd. Why? As I mentioned before, personal preference.

My main point is that stricter input is unnecessary, and even SF has moved away from it. That doesn’t make it bad, but I still don’t like it. Others do, which is fine. I deal with it, obviously, I still play. I just wish I could do what I know I want to (and feel as if I should be able to do) with shotos, but the input restricts me.

Hypothetically, let’s say they patched HDR to let anyone input easily. Do you think we’d see nobodies at EVO 2014 taking 1st place? Of course not. The metagame would evolve, focus on defense would increase (especially at lower levels of play, jumping at someone recklessly would go extinct), and new tactics would emerge. Without a balance patch things would be super unbalanced though since HDR was crafted with difficult inputs facored into the balance. I don’t see it negatively affecting play, though change would occur and that in itself scares people. Hell, I’d be scared at first and find new complaints, lol.

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puts on nerd glasses

Ahem. HDR was actually one of the rare console SF2 releases that DIDN’T force a two punch/two kick lariat. Sirlin even mentions this on his changelog for Gief, which is why he changed the easy 2 button lariat input to lp/lk and mp/mk where they would be pretty damn hard to do accidentally.

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HDR buffed Gief too much

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They pretty much did this with the 3DS port of SSF4. Touch screen Guile was too strong with his instant Sonic Booms and Flash Kicks. Game got really defensive because no one could do anything without the fear of instant, easy punishment.

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^ The solution is less overpowered moves. More thoughtful play should be the goal, and the fact that it became a more defensive game shows it did. However, it shouldn’t be a total fear-fest, so toning down moves would help a lot.

I don’t like abusable tactics or low-risk tactics. It is practically the definition of cheap.

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I like strong moves

o.ken forever!

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^ Everything is good, in a balanced context, IMO.

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I’m probably the reason many have stopped playing this game

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Maybe.

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Long story short: SF4 and lazy gamers killed the scene.

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HDR is not dead, nor will it ever be.
There are always plenty of people ready to play, especially at peak times.

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Hey Supe1NYC when are the peak times?

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There’s some down time, namely late nights (Pacific Time), but it’s not too hard to find a match at most times.

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people LOST Interest in this game a few years ago

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Dunno how. I’ll be playing till servers come down. Here’s hoping for 4K Remix on PS4.

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rcaido and anyone else who wants to get crushed - most nights I’m available at around 8 pm Eastern Time. Sometimes I’m on for 20 minutes and sometimes for an hour or more. If you can play on a semi-regular basis at least, send me a msg on Xbox live and I’ll remove the least skilled player from my full friends list to add you. (or I’ll remove someone who hasn’t been on in a while) I’ve been a little busy working as the National IT Manager at a mid-sized corporation in Manhattan. (New York City)

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I may be available to play at other times also, just arrange it with me ahead of time on xbox live or e-mail me at Super1NYC@yahoo.com (friends or those who want to play some matches only, no haters) thanks.

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Some of the better players still playing these days include ize4lyf aka NLP OU, blitzfu and incision (Sincisions aka left4feds) among others.

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