American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

i may have. i only read half the article vecause its formatted like shit and has repeated pargrqphs. Best i could figure a cashier said something silly and now we have an article about how shit was done bqck in the day but half of it seems fucking stupid. thwy washed daopers not becase they where mindful and cared about the enviroment, they washed daipers because disposables didnt fucking exist. Thats not a point.

We are ralking about baby bpomers in the policitcal sphere so i really dont see the relevance of an article that isnt about the politics of the time.

So if you feel i missed somwthing feel free to wxplain it to me.

Most Baby Boombers do own a Smart Phone, PC and or Tablet.

But the Baby Boomber Generation came up with the crap policies that lead to the housing market crash.

Whatā€™s the worse things Obama did? Whatā€™s the zero tolerance for Trump? Obama made a lot of excellent-ish choices and some bad-ish choices. Trump has seemingly made a lot of horrific and needless choices.

Itā€™s in the best interests of most people here for Trump to succeed, and for his policies to be miraculously good. Youā€™ll need to excuse people that are wary of policies that are being openly ridiculed outside of right-wing echo chambers. If you want us to goose-step to Trumpā€™s greatness alongside you, have him be great. Current economic policy seems like a trainwreck, though.

Trump is making late night deranged phone calls to international business leaders rambling on about random shit and not following through on any of it, and nobody outside or inside of our country understands what his plan is or what the future holds. People elected an empty suit Twitter troll as President, and it comes as a great shock that heā€™s been horrible so far. The development of our country is baaaasically on hold for somewhere around four years until that malignant clown leaves office.

Thanks, Obama.

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well, every president since reagan has added to the national debt, but itā€™s pretty a meaningless statement if you look at raw numbers without context. which is what most of the posters are doing except preppy.

i wonder if someone on her staff tried to talk her out of this? they should have.
https://twitter.com/WisePaxCat/status/976238292428505088

lolā€¦i love how the WH advisers and staff waste enormous man hours preparing briefings for trump only to see him completely ignore it. this presidency is like a very long gag reel of watching trump stick various firearms in his mouth and pulling the trigger. i can watch it all day.

https://twitter.com/NoahJAguirre/status/976253152318992384

sohhā€¦has anyone been following the stormy daniels lawsuit? i didnā€™t at first becuase trump smashing a porn star isnā€™t exactly breaking or surprising news. however, what is funny is the amount of fuckkery sheā€™s creating for trump and his lawyer Michael Cohen. this story would be a non issue if only trump wasnā€™t under the illusion that heā€™s protecting what? his reputation? lolā€¦trump is so delusional. apparently, nazi and child molesters are okay with his base, but porn stars are beyond the pale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/21/lawyers-for-stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-erupt-at-each-other-youre-gonna-go-down-in-flames/?utm_term=.fa4bf08ba8d2
https://twitter.com/HollandReid/status/976255246031884288

does anyone believe trump is actually praying?

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The white priviledge is strong in this one

https://twitter.com/BillBishopKHOU/status/976599683534639105

You clearly donā€™t work with many people within that age group. Many donā€™t even have an email address.

It was more of them being democrats than baby boomers that influenced the policies and wanting to subsidize the housing market that caused the problem. The same policies that you want to impose on more markets because government is too big to fail. Hows that education and medical debt working out for you?

But hey if you want to talk ā€œpolitical influenceā€, then the baby boomers were the age that was pushing for civil rights. I thought civil rights was a good thing. Pushed to end the war in Vietnam. They were the ones protesting.

Preppy Iā€™m still talking about debt and how much of a hypocrite you and many on this site are being. You can come up with all the excuses you want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, still doesnā€™t change the fact that you are failing simple math which highlights your fallacy.

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No government is too big to fail. That whole line of thinking is unintelligent: entropy is a thing. However, itā€™s a lot easier for the government to handle hiccups and keep things from going completely crazy than it is for one dude against the system. Each of us will fail by ourselves. We might succeed together, which is where ā€œgovernmentā€ comes in. Education and medical markets do need to be addressed over time: those are critical aspects of society. I hear Bernie had a random plan that should still be of interest if you think educated and skilled peoples are a good thing. But hey instead of funding education, letā€™s build a wall. Letā€™s make more bombers to fight against enemies we create. Letā€™s cut taxes to the rich.

As re: civil rights: you can do good things and also do bad things. Itā€™s new concept. More or less each generation rolls the ball of society forward.

Iā€™m confused as to what benefit of the doubt Iā€™m giving here. Iā€™m confused as to what ā€œsimple mathā€ Iā€™m failing here. If your test is literally ā€œX dollars was spent versus Y dollars was spentā€, Iā€™m sad for you. ROI is a concept I think weā€™re all aware of. If I take out a loan to buy a house, probably a good thing. If I take out a loan to give my rich friends money, probably a bad thing. Iā€™d suggest you either need to explain why which aspect of Obamaā€™s borrowing was bad OR you need to explain why Trumpā€™s was good. It is a complicated issue. Deficit spending in a vacuum is not a bad thing. To a point. However if you keep cutting revenues (again, being the irresponsible ā€œno new taxesā€ ā€œstarve the beastā€ party) without cutting expenditures, you either should have an incredibly good reason or you are insane.

I donā€™t think Obama got it all right, and I donā€™t think anybody thinks that. I think on the whole that his efforts did far more good than bad. If you want to point to a treatise claiming otherwise (Obama The All Bad!), Iā€™ll read it when I have time. If your argument is simply random numbers, that suggest a breathtaking lack of understanding of economics. And before somebody rabidly defends Trump on this front, take a look at his comparative debt contributions which will in one term double Obamaā€™s in two terms. Trump is borrowing money primarily to make the rich richer. I donā€™t know how you defend that: lemme know because Iā€™m interested.

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Out of all this social media mess, Iā€™m glad I ditched Facebook long ago. Also if by some chance Facebook goes down in flamesā€¦Then weā€™re still in a good timeline.

lul Of course

You become less challenged and more of a terrorist thug the darker your skin gets.

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So you still buying into false flags and pizzagate

[1] LETTER FROM THOMAS PAINE TO GEORGE WASHINGTON (JULY 30, 1796 - PARIS)

At the time I left America (April, 1787) the Continental Convention, that formed the Federal Constitution was on the point of meeting. Since that time new schemes of politics, and new distinctions of parties, have arisen. The term Anti-federalist has been applied to all those who combated the defects of that Constitution, or opposed the measures of your administration.
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John Jay has said (and this John was always the sycophant of everything in power, from Mr. Gerard in America, to Grenville in England), -John Jay has said that the Senate should have been appointed for life.He would then have been sure of never wanting a lucrative appointment for himself, and have had no fears about impeachment. These are the disguised traitors that call themselves Federalist
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This is the ground upon which America now stands. All her rights of commerce and navigation are to begin anew, and that with loss of character to begin with. If there is sense enough left in the heart to call a blush into the cheek, the Washington Administration must be ashamed to appear. And as to you, Sir, treacherous in private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an impostor; whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any.

LETTERS TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES by THOMAS PAINE

LETTER II (The National Intelligencer of November 22, 1802)

ā€¦But a nondescript race, and of equivocal generation, assuming the name of Federalist-a name that describes no character of principle good or bad, and may equally be applied to either-has since started up with the rapidity of a mushroom, and like a mushroom is withering on its rootless stalk.

Are those men federalized to support the liberties of their country or to overturn them? To add to its fair fame or riot on its spoils? The name contains no defined idea. It is like John Adamsā€™s definition of a republic, in his letter to Mr. Wythe of Virginia. It is, says he, an empire of laws and not of men. But as laws may be bad as well as good, an empire of laws may be the best of all governments or the worst of all tyrannies.
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If, then, by Federalist is to be understood one who was for cementing the Union by a general government operating equally over all the States, in all matters that embraced the common interest, and to which the authority of the States severally was not adequate, for no one State can make laws to bind another; if, I say, by a Federalist is meant a person of this description (and this is the origin of the name), I ought to stand first on the list of Federalists, for the proposition for establishing a general government over the Union, came originally from me in 1783, in a written memorial to Chancellor Livingston, then Secretary for Foreign Affairs to Congress, Robert Morris, Minister of Finance, and his associate, Gouverneur Morris, all of whom are now living; and we had a dinner and conference at Robert Morrisā€™s on the subject.
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As many thousands who were minors are grown up to manhood since the name of Federalist began, it became necessary, for their information, to go back and show the origin of the name, which is now no longer what it originally was; but it was the more necessary to do this, in order to bring forward, in the open face of day, the apostasy of those who first called themselves Federalists.
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To them it served as a cloak for treason, a mask for tyranny. Scarcely were they placed in the seat of power and office, than federalism was to be destroyed, and the representative system of government, the pride and glory of America, and the palladium of her liberties, was to be over- thrown and abolished. The next generation was not to be free. The son was to bend his neck beneath the fatherā€™s foot, and live, deprived of his rights, under hereditary control. Are these men Federalists? If they are, they are federalized to deceive and to destroy.

LETTER VI (Philadelphia Aurora of May 14, 1803)

Religion and War is the cry of the Federalists; Morality and Peace the voice of Republicans. The union of morality and peace is congenial but that of religion and war is a paradox, and the solution of it is hypocrisy.

The leaders of the Federalists have no judgment; their plans no consistency of parts; and want of consistency is the natural consequence of want of principle.

They exhibit to the world the curious spectacle of an Opposition without a cause, and conduct without system. Were they, as doctors, to prescribe medicine as they practise politics, they would poison their patients with destructive compounds.

[2] The 2nd Amendment being the least debated provision, during the Constitutional/Continental Convention is Common Sense.

This quote is fake and/or there is no proof of this being real - but it is still true.

How many people fought on the pro-independence side of America? 3-5% of Americaā€™s total population back then. Were those 3-5%'ers just from the right or alt-right? No. It was from BOTH right AND left. EVERYONE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM MUST PARTICIPATE AND FIGHT. ALL STATES MUST FIGHT TOGETHER!

That is the key to winning ā€” UNITY ā€” This is why Thomas Paine named America ā€” The UNITED States of America. If America is united, then no country on earth can conquer her ā€” not even her own traitorous government.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/977166887493799936

or maybe because they snuck Russian sanctions into the bill? Seems odd to Veto something that was done bipartisanly for once without leadership from the President.

Oh really? Thatā€™d be hilarious.
And if it really was a (almost) bi-partisan effort, would it be big news if the orange was to be overridden?

I donā€™t like Daily Beast as a viable source but it seems to be legit till proven false. Santions snuck into spending bill

Also Trump might be smart to proceed with this play. He looks like the nice guy caring about DACA but keep in mind this weekend has the March for Lives and Stormy Daniels interview on Sunday. This would change the narrative of the weekend and take away air time from those and give something for Faux to focus on all while not pissing off his owner in Putin. Like its a smart move to do this from all angles.

For me at least, Trump lost all economic clout when he endorsed trickle down economics in his campaign speeches.

Giving the rich more money to disempower others has been one of the most destructive ideas of modern society.

We all know the monetary resources do not trickle down. Itā€™s hoarded and used as leverage for lobbying and other political gain.

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So the orange vented and postured that he was going to veto the bill.
But in the end signs it anyway.
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These are the cultists at that reddit The_DonaldOrange.

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The rage is real lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/86m7fn/president_trump_participates_in_a_bill_signing/

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This is short and was funny as hell. I still canā€™t believe the congresswoman tried to blame the ā€œdeep stateā€ for the furniture purchase Carson did. Like at what point is this made up boogie man is not the go-to. At least she didnā€™t try and be like it was because of kneeling black players or ANTIFA stole Carsons credit card.

After Youtube bans gun videos, gun bloggers are now taking their fetish to PornHub

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Well Gun porn was a thing in a senseā€¦