I’m not downplaying at all man, I agree with you. Suspend him the rest of the season. Career ban him, whatever the league thinks needs to happen. But I’m getting heated about the double standard people have about “football” violence and this violence. This was reckless, dangerous, and a lot of people would say criminal. But how is a helmet to helmet hit on a defenseless wide receiver any less reckless or criminal? You can cripple or kill a man with that shit too.
I just think it’s some pearl clutching bullshit when people say things like “this has no place in our game! this is thuggery and awful!” But then cheer when their defensive lineman fold a quarterback in half when he blows him up on his blindside for a 8 yard loss.
Garrett is in the wrong. Punish him. But recognize that this game is incredibly violent and dangerous, and the NFL seems to not really give a shit about it’s players by keeping the game this violent
The thing is, shit like helmet to helmet (even though it’s thankfully being legislated out more and more and players are finally starting to adjust properly) is on the level of boxing. It’s shit you have to deal with within the sport itself. When you sign on to play football you’re essentially accepting the fact that you’re gonna get repeated brain trauma and lower your quality of life after you retire.
The shit that Garrett did is both a written and unwritten rule. Even multiple players have said that for the most part, when a dude’s helmet comes off the shit ends. You don’t sign up for getting a helmet swung at you after the fact. That’s the part that’s pissing off players, including his own teammates. To put it in another way, the players accept that they’re gonna hit each other a bunch of times and likely cause pain and injury over the course of a game for better or worse. Attacking someone with a weapon after the play is over is crossing a line.
I could say the same thing about the stomp. Haynesworth could have blinded Gurode or worse. If Haynesworth connected on the temple Gurode could have died. You can’t say Garret could have done more damage and pretend that Haynesworth couldn’t as well. Fact is they both could have caused more damage but Haynesworth actually did cause more damage.
you’re right, I just want the game to be safer. I get that it won’t happen overnight, but fuck man, it feels bad watching football knowing that most of these dudes won’t even be able to enjoy the millions they’ll make because they’ll be vegetables.
This.
Rudolphs instigation did not warrant a retaliation at that level period. If this happened within the streets or somewhere out in public, this would be assault with a deadly weapon and you would more than likely be jailed for this. Anyone stating otherwise are kidding themselves here, because if someone pushed you, but you retaliated with a bat to the individuals head, would anyone really believe that would pass in the courts?
I would seriously like to see anyone plead the case in front of the judge that the reason you used a weapon was because of the statement “Well, he started it first!”
The only reason why this isn’t any worse is simply due to the sheer luck from the section of the helmet that ended up connecting on Rudolph, for had it of been the crown, it could have easily lead to a severe head injury or a probability of death.
Unfortunate, events, however suspensions on Myles is actually a small price to pay only, considering the severity of the potential punishment had this of occurred outside of a football game.
Rudolph tried to take off Mason’s helmet.
Didn’t see the whole game but Rudolph got hit with a pretty clean tackle. Should’ve just gone through the motions, fallen down and called it a day. Instead some shit happened and he tried to take off Rudolph’s helmet.
He shouldn’t have swung that helmet at all. But its going to be interesting to see how they treat Rudolph initiating the helmet removal that ended up happening to him.
That is my only issue in this people are giving Rudolf a free pass in this. That shouldn’t be the case. Garret went overboard in his response but that does not excuse Rudolf starting the shit in the first place.
Yes, I can see that, and that’s all that we know of Rudolphs intent. However doing that doesn’t justify Myles ripping off Rudolphs helmet, however not only that, but the actual, remember, actual intention of using it as a weapon while striking and connecting which could have once again, potentially injured him severely or possibly killed him.
This makes what happened at the beginning irrelevant and pretty much can put this on the legal issue levels.
I have yet to see anyone justify Garrett’s actions. I have seen damn everyone act like Rudolph did nothing at all.
We know that Rudolph tried taking the helmet, however once again, why do you people keep bringing this up, and by doing so, you almost make it into a “Well, he started it first” mentality. Rudolph instigating this first by “trying” to take Myles helmet off, should not ever result in him getting his head smashed in by his own helmet.
We’ve seen helmets taken off before, and this is the first time we’ve ever seen it actually connecting upon someone on the head no less. No excuses, regardless if Rudolph “tried” to go for the helmet first.
You don’t seem to be listening. Garrett should be suspended for the rest of the year. No one is saying otherwise. That isn’t up for debate and that isn’t what is being discussed.
Rudolph tried to forcibly remove another players helmet. At minimum he should gotten tossed from the game. I think he should be suspended for a game. Decastro had separated the two of them. Rudolph continues to go after Garrett. This all occurs before Garret clocks him with the helmet. Rudolph should get a game suspension.
If I shove you and you hit me with a baseball bat, the fact that you committed assault with deadly weapon doesn’t negate that I assaulted you in the first place.
I understand that, and I’m sure some punishment will occur for him, however once again, his punishment at best is minimal. Not to mention Rudolph also got blindsided by another Browns player while his helmet was off mind you. Due to what Myles ultimately did, what Rudolph intended to do at the beginning “or what he did do” was made almost irrelevant.
Because for all knew shit would be different if he had successfully gotten that helmet off. Rudolph is acting like he wasn’t going to be on the same bullshit that ended up on the wrong end off.
Garret needs to get bodied because that shit should not be in the league. The game is brutal enough and allows enough horse shit as is.
But really Rudolph, why were you trying to remove somebody’s helmet in the first place?
Your first statement is an assumption at this point. You’re now “assuming” what Rudolph may have done had he’d taken off Myles helmet.
I mean, if we are going to assume, than I could just as well say that Rudolph may have been angry and was only trying to rip Myles helmet off and nothing beyond that, just like multiple other times we’ve seen in heated NFL games where this has happened before.
However, what we do know is that when Myles did in fact take off Rudolphs helmet, his 100% intention was to actually hurt another individual by striking the most vulnerable and exposed part which was the head. This we do know without ever going into theories of supposed intent.
It isn’t any theory, its literally what happened:
Timestampped and all that. See Rudolph trying to take off Garret’s helmet? This is probably why Garret got heated and tried and succeeded at taking Rudolph’s helmet.
But I’ve already said a million times that the NFL has shit officiating, people are unnecessarily violent to each other with their attempts to hurt players in game and that it’s bad for the sport. Since I’ve had that position for years now, I’m not going to condone anybody getting cracked in the head with a helmet.
But seeing as taking a helmet off is seen as a grave offense, why the fuck was Rudolph trying to take Garret’s helmet off?
Once again, read my statement clearly please. Rudolphs intention to ripping Myles helmet off is not (yes, we see this), I repeat, it is not the same act as Myles whose intention was to not only to rip Rudolphs helmet off, but to actually attack another person with it as a weapon.
Helmets do get taken off from time to time, this does happen, however as most NFL analyst have stated, and even former players “things stop.” However within this case, Myles intent was to go beyond just taking off a helmet, but to actually assault another person with it.
I’m not saying its the same act, I’m saying that Rudolph started it by trying to take off Garret’s helmet. He shouldn’t have tried to do that in the first place. He got hit with a clean tackle. Was it rude? yeah but it wasn’t a dirty hit and he was taken down safely.
Garret’s part in it is straight forward: you’re a fucking hothead who used safety equipment in a dangerous way and embarassed the league and the sport. Definitely out for the season and probably longer. See that? easy pease.
So what bullshit was Rudolph on for trying to take Garret’s helmets off? You’re gonna let him off when he was clearly trying to do something dangerous? He needs to lose a game or two and let the rest of the league know that reaching for helmets is not gonna be tolerated.
https://kvia.com/news/us-world/2019/11/15/browns-garrett-suspended-for-rest-of-season-by-nfl
Steelers center Maurkic Pouncey was suspended three games for punching and kicking Garrett, and Browns defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi was suspended for one game. He shoved Rudolph to the ground from behind during the melee.
The league said Garrett will have to meet with Commissioner Roger Goodell before his reinstatement is considered.
See that? He tried to rip off a helmet and nothing is gonna happen. Well there you go, reach for people’s helmets all day and the league ain’t gon’ say shit about it.
Other parties are still being investigated This sounds to me as though it isn’t just Myles and Pouncey whom will be facing penalties. It’s just that Myles, Pouncey are obviously going to get their sentences first because they had the biggest acts, with Myles clear and far away the worse.
Guaranteed they’re just gonna fine Rudolph and let me walk off with the hit on the head. He initiated some dangerous shit trying to take off a helmet so its pretty fair.
Garret needed to have some self control. But that isn’t some shit that’s fostered in the NFL. A lot of rough stuff is gonna happen to you in the field (this is from what I’ve seen) but you can’t go jeopardizing somebody’s health that way. GGs, its unfortunate, other guy reached for your helmet but c’mon guy. Mofos need to learn to walk away from some shit.
He got heated once, made the sport look bad, made the league look bad (more than it already does which is surprising) and now you’re out of a job. Can’t cross lines like that.