Alpha 3 tiers?

Classic Fighting Games Street Fighter Alpha Anthology
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(S )Dhalsim, Akuma
(A+)Sakura
(A )Sagat
(A-)Vega, Charlie, Zangief
(B+)Karin, Sodom
(B )Rolento, Ryu, Chun Li
(B-)Cody, Gen, Guy, Ken
(C+)Juni, Rose, Adon, Cammy, Bison, Balrog, Mika
(C )Blanka, Birdie, Dan, Honda
(D )Juli

Even this is seems a bit too harsh- It’s entirely possible to say, beat Vega with Cody, or beat Sakura with Karin. And I haven’t taken counter-characters into account too much (ie Gen holds an advantage over Zangief, Ken over Chun Li, etc).

Anyway:
I put Vega ahead of Charlie because he does a little better vs Sagat and Sakura, I think. Seems a little high. I would have put Dhalsim ahead of Akuma, because I used to think he did a lot better vs Sagat. I don’t think he does TOO well anymore, but still just enough to justify a small (negligeable, even) lead over Akuma (also taken into consideration was Akuma’s problem with Charlie). Dhalsim has to work a little harder vs Chun Li and Sak than Akuma does, however. Taking the ability to switch ISMs into account, Dhalsim is a stronger character overall, relative to the cast, IMO, but I would go as far as to say that Akuma beats him like 6-4 in their match. So I dunno. Switch at your discretion.

Sagat may drop down a spot or two as time goes by (a year ago, I would have had him in the “B-” group), but he’s still pretty scary. Sorta like Vega, who I think scares people more than he really should (were I not taking his matches vs better charactes into account, he would have been ranked behind 'Gief, or at the top of the next line).

Who’s better between Karin and Sodom is a toss-up, and both of them could easily go into the line below. They have good VCs and infinites, as opposed to, say, Ryu, who has a stronger moveset, but much weaker midscreens. Or you could just merge the two.

“C+” is hard to tier. Juni and Rose I’m pretty sure about, Adon a little less so, but the other 4 especially can go in any order. Bison stronger than Cammy, I think? Mika should be higher? Hard to say.

“C” hard also. Honda, I guess, isn’t really that bad, but as I’ve yet to see a good one, he goes where he goes. All of these guys can be re-arranged.

Thoughts?

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Hmm, pretty interesting list you got there :] here’s what i think (in order, characters best ism counts) …

[Top] Akuma (V), Arc-Sim (AVX), Sak (V), DeeJay (VA)

[Near Top] Gief (VA), Ryu (VAX), Charlie (VA), Chun (VAX)

[Upper] FeiLong (AX), Sagat (V), Karin (VA), Vega (V), Sodom (V), Rolento (AV)

[Mid +] Ken (VA), Gen (AV), Cody (V), Juni (V), Guy (A), Home-Sim (AVX)

[Mid] Rose (AV), Adon (VXA), Cammy (VA), Mika (AV), Bison (A), Rog (A)

[Lower] Dan (V), Blanka (VA), Honda (AV), Hawk (VA)

[Low] Birdie (VA), Guile (VA), Juli (VA)

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Dee Jay? Fei Long? THawk? You even differentiated “Home-Sim”. On which platform? On what tournament proof? If you’re gonna include console versions shin akuma would be nasty.

My point here is that console versions shouldn’t count, since one can always argue that the console versions are so different from the arcade version to the point of warping tiers. For example, I’ve never been able to pull off a decent VC with Adon on the PS1.

Also, console characters put the discussion into “theory fighter”, as there are few (if any) solid, objective proof that one chracter is better than another.

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Wow this is old, but things seem to keep changing.

I’d swap Honda and Bison around, Honda IS better than you think, most of his normals have great priority. Bison has more problems than Honda does in my opinion, plus V-Honda is an effective choice. I’d prolly swap Dan and Juli around, just cause she has no spiral arrow doesnt mean shes absolutely useless, just a neutered Cammy. I’m just wondering why Mika is that high and Blanka is below her??? I assumed Blanka was better than Mika. I’m tempted to put Juni and Balrog up one slot but I can’t since its just theory on my part.

Shrug.

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… what ? :stuck_out_tongue: (she’s 6th on the list if you count from down to up , damnit !!)

Mika is not that bad, people just seem to dislike her in general. She can guardcrush pretty well and has some nice mixups, including totally 50:50 situations (thanks to her freestyle super) which mostly end in Mika hitting the other person ;] The thing that makes her hard to rank is that she’s a high risk chara, similar to Makoto in 3rd, just without the lightspeed dash ^^

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Mika’s pretty effective if you know how to play her.

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I dunno, Bison seems to have better priority than Honda, and I can see him having an easier time doing big damage, because of the super. I haven’t seen someone play Honda since like 2000, so I’ll put an asterisk by his name in my head.

Dan’s normals aren’t much worse than Juli’s, and his VCs are better, and he has the pushblock and the backwards hurricane kick move to play with, though pushblock is sorta useless. Juli not really BAD, she just doesn’t have anything, and she can’t build meter. She’s like Dan, -2. No Cannon Drill, about half of Cammy’s normal moves, and no Hooligan Combination, doesn’t have Juni’s air Cannon Drill or teleport or 360, and she has 1 less super than either in A-ISM.

Blanka lower than Mika (though they’re about the same) maily because of Mika’s 720, though she has some other stuff going for her. Blanka’s normals maybe slightly better, but Mika has a little more guard crush ability. Blanka has a god super, and his crouch cancel VCs are good, but Mika has a good VC too, and a much, much better crossup (the body splash), and anti-crossup (crouching strong). I dunno, like I said before, there’s a lot of room for characters to be re-arranged.

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:rofl: In SFA3, that’s the definition of bad. But, I guess, she’s not Servbot without a meter bad.

I wouldn’t call pushblock useless. It’s not something that could protect you from a guard crush VC, but it’s a decent way to give you breathing room if you’re getting rushed down.

I’d put Juni above Cammy, by the way.

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Do tell… i’d rather have V-Akuma personally.

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i think rolento should be ranked a bit lower and gen a bit higher.

rolento is not that bad as a character but he has some serious issues against characters that likes to keep jumping on him and he doesnt have too much to offer.

he has major trouble getting an opponent off of from him since he has no ground anti air. standing mp trades with everything in this game and standing hk is too slow. only anti airs he has is jumping lp and alpha counter.

while his alpha counter have good horizontal range, it goes right thru your opponent when you are point blank and sometimes, not all hits connect and gets blocked. definitely not good vs VCs.

his tripwire super is garbage. slow ass startup, no invincibility and gets beaten out by everything. not to mention you cant combo into it. so really, he cant make much good use from his bar except alpha counters.

his patriot circle also misses on a bunch of extremely low crouching opponents, which also hurts his game.

gen’s normal moveset is just as good as rolentos, maybe a bit worse, but he has much better anti airs.

gen also has better specials and much better meter usage. his alpha counter in KKK mode is also better than rolentos. great horizontal and it doesnt trade nearly as much as rolentos.

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At the time of the Japanese A3 nationals last year, Bas said the tiers went something like:

God Tier:
V-Akuma
V-Sakura

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then everybody else after that. Apparently stuff was found and match-ups were learned to the point where those two characters have no bad match-ups at all except to each other. Even dhalsim couldnt hang with them anymore.

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What ever happened to the V-Sagat craze? I heard he became like a really good character, but I don’t know why, and I still don’t see it.

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ANy body know where to get some street fighter character sprites

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Wrong forum, wrong thread. Go to image mishmash.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Or hit the various mugen sites.

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Anyone ever actually PLAY E.Honda in this game? I’d actually love to pick him up. Suits my turtle style.

But I’m sure simple fireball/ DP traps hurt him in this game.

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Why doesn’t anyone put Fei-Long, Dee Jay, or T.Hawk in their tier list??

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All tier lists are based on arcade. Otherwise, it’d all be messed up since V-stuff isn’t as dominant and Dhalshim/Guy would change rankings

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I think he also suffers from the fact that his hitbox is pretty huge, making him incredibly vulnerable to cross-ups.

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Quick question, what are GBA Alpha 3 tiers?

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Not only these two, Dee Jay is a little monster in the home version. I think he is really good, especially in V and with that, all the ranking, who is in Top Tier etc., would be different again. The point is, it’s even harder then to tell the true Tiers. -_-