Akuma FAQs: Quick questions & answers!

dr4gz0r · 2011-12-07T01:29:12.000Z

Its just the way the game is designed.
Heres the in-depth explanation.

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I don’t get where’s the 6 frames things.

That quote just explains trip guard, which can be summed up with:

You don’t press anything when jumping >> you can instantly block on landing
You press a normal when jumping >> first 2 frames you can’t do anything, last 2 frames you can block

Nu-Skoool · 2011-12-07T01:51:10.000Z

SRK Wiki:

Jump startup cannot be thrown. C.Viper’s and Ibuki’s super-jump can be thrown out of startup after the first frame.
Landing recovery behaves differently depending on what was done in the air:
No air move used (normal jump):
[LIST]
[]1-4f: Can do anything not related to movement (i.e. walk, dash, jump).
[/LIST]
No air move used (super jump):
[LIST]
[]1-11f: Fully punishable.
[/LIST]
Air normal move used (any jump):
[LIST]
[]1-2f: Punishable. Teching throws is possible.
[]3-4f: Can only block or tech throws.
[*]Moves inputted during the recovery are buffered and executed at the earliest possible moment. You cannot block on 3-4f if a move has been buffered.
[/LIST]

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV/Original_Wiki_Page

dr4gz0r · 2011-12-07T01:54:06.000Z

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV/Original_Wiki_Page

First possible frame would be the first after the 4 frame recovery. It’s the 6 frames number I don’t get :E

Nu-Skoool · 2011-12-07T01:58:55.000Z

OS’s will not come out until the 6th frame after landing. That’s the earliest window. Because you recover on the 5th frame and cannot do anything here.

dr4gz0r · 2011-12-07T02:23:19.000Z

OS’s will not come out until the 6th frame after landing. That’s the earliest window. Because you recover on the 5th frame and cannot do anything here.

If it’s 4 frame recovery and “Moves inputted during the recovery are buffered and executed at the earliest possible moment.” it should start at the 5th frame from landing, not the 6th.

LoyalSol · 2011-12-07T02:24:57.000Z

It is simply the 4 frames plus the start up and sometimes an extra air frame.

dr4gz0r · 2011-12-07T02:54:41.000Z

It is simply the 4 frames plus the start up and sometimes an extra air frame.

Yeah, should be air frames, but by what Nu wrote it was like buffering a move somehow altered the recovery frames to 5, which shouldn’t be the case given the bounds of trip guard.

Nu-Skoool · 2011-12-07T04:54:02.000Z

Re-read what I posted. When a move is buffered YOU CANNOT BLOCK on the 3rd and 4th recovery frame. You recover on the 5th and the OS cannot come out until after that recovery frame. Go into training and SJOS on a character with a 5 frame reversal, you will get hit every time. The only way around this is to delay the OS.

SRK Wiki:

Jump startup cannot be thrown. C.Viper’s and Ibuki’s super-jump can be thrown out of startup after the first frame.
Landing recovery behaves differently depending on what was done in the air:
No air move used (normal jump):
[LIST]
[]1-4f: Can do anything not related to movement (i.e. walk, dash, jump).
[/LIST]
No air move used (super jump):
[LIST]
[]1-11f: Fully punishable.
[/LIST]
Air normal move used (any jump):
[LIST]
[]1-2f: Punishable. Teching throws is possible.
[]3-4f: Can only block or tech throws.
[*]Moves inputted during the recovery are buffered and executed at the earliest possible moment. You cannot block on 3-4f if a move has been buffered.
[/LIST]

dr4gz0r · 2011-12-07T05:48:53.000Z

Re-read what I posted. When a move is buffered YOU CANNOT BLOCK on the 3rd and 4th recovery frame. You recover on the 5th and the OS cannot come out until after that recovery frame. Go into training and SJOS on a character with a 5 frame reversal, you will get hit every time. The only way around this is to delay the OS.

Oh I got it. I just thought that the move recovered on the 5th frame and the OS could already start at that point.

But I still don’t understand the whole delay thing, if I don’t buffer it and execute it on the first possible frame, does that still count as an OS? I mean, wouldn’t the DP/whatever OS start anyway at that point (since I already recovered)?

Nu-Skoool · 2011-12-07T06:20:50.000Z

Yes its still an OS because youre using the blockstun frames of your jump in to input and mask the move . If the blockstun is not present then OS comes out. Think something along the lines of LoyalSols cr.mp U2 OS against Cody. Youre pretty much using a loophole in the games engine. By delaying the OS you recover on that 3rd frame but with the benefit of getting the OS. Only difference is delaying the OS can be alittle trickier to do than just buffering the OS mid-jump.

Lion_Jak · 2011-12-07T13:31:30.000Z

Just wanted to say happy birthday clxjames.

Nu-Skoool · 2011-12-08T01:31:20.000Z

PM’s maybe?

Lion_Jak · 2011-12-08T06:26:48.000Z

Fuck didn’t even think about that sorry guys.

Rikudou · 2011-12-20T00:10:20.000Z

Is there a difference in overall recovery time for the demon flip palm when done early or late within the flip?

metallicaband · 2011-12-20T01:34:25.000Z

Is there a difference in overall recovery time for the demon flip palm when done early or late within the flip?

Pretty sure there won’t be any difference at all, you’ll have 4 landing recovery frames either way just like normal jump-in attacks (you can’t do anything in the first 2 frames but you can block during the last 2).

Rikudou · 2011-12-20T01:50:48.000Z

Pretty sure there won’t be any difference at all, you’ll have 4 landing recovery frames either way just like normal jump-in attacks (you can’t do anything in the first 2 frames but you can block during the last 2).

Thanks, I was wondering whether performing it early would make the flip more ‘floaty’ or not. We may have lost the high-low mixup, but at least we keep the right-left one…

djKun · 2011-12-23T06:14:09.000Z

The link to the list of characters that could be c.HK after a tatsu is dead was looking for it

Nevermore · 2011-12-23T07:39:44.000Z

The link to the list of characters that could be c.HK after a tatsu is dead was looking for it

The light tatsu > sweep list (Updated for Ultra) Ultra Street Fighter IV

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PCUTTA610 · 2011-12-24T07:43:45.000Z

I used to just refer to the matchup thread. Along with other matchup specifics It didnt take long to stick

OmniCloud · 2011-12-26T19:34:02.000Z

Anyone on PSN wanna do some endless…been going back n forth with all new characters (Cody/Rose/Gat/Juri) and finally ended with a nice group of characters styles I like. Akuma is right at the top…

Someone be my sensei plz…I play a few as Ken just for proof I’m not a complete scrub lol…then goto my lesser characters Ryu/Gouki

PSN is Omnicloud & Jabriel87