As said before, im happy for the time right now. Everyone is just picking characters they like. I hope Cody isn’t too high on the tier… because we’ll get that rush of new players who want free wins…
His specials are pretty unsafe, but it hasn’t gotten me in too much trouble just yet, and im sure he has one trick or two not yet discovered
Man, I already see a ton of Cody’s online lol. Oddly enough, I have yet to see one single Cody icon or title…
anywho, I still need to start learning OTHER characters. I kept telling myself I would learn Juri better, as well as Dudley or Ibuki (yet to actually play one match as either, sadly).
yeah, I still dunno what exactly to do to end a combo safely if the opponent is blocking the combo
and I kinda suspect more stuff will be learned about Cody soon.
im glad im not the only one that noticed this.
I see a lot of Cody’s online if I switch to “any” region, he seems pretty popular amongst Americans but when I play within Europe he’s very rare. I’ve had one mirror match against a European player and he went back to Ken when I fought him a little later
I see him being high mid. He might have a shot at the top because he has all the tools he needs to pressure, zone, AA, etc. His mixups are on the weak side but he’s at least as capable as Ryu is (was?) on offense, except Cody does a lot more damage and stun. He can set up safe jumps and get hard knockdowns at will so that’ll help his offense, especially with the nerfed shoryus, but I’m still more interested to see how Bad Stone develops and what it’ll do for his game in the long run… very interesting move.
His wakeup is a bit of a liability but I don’t think that’ll hold him back too much.
So far, Cody has some pretty good match-ups. T.Hawk and Gief can’t get in on him easily at all. I also find Cody in favor of the Adon, and Dudley match-up. Even the rushdown characters that should be Cody’s bad matches, are only bad if they can get in and apply pressure.
wrong, his jab criminal upper is safe unless you are point blank next to a character… most of the time you are going to be using c.mp first which makes it guaranteed safe. I’m not sure if distance makes his medium CU safe but it might… bad stone also has a lot less recovery time than hadokens (if you havent noticed). It has a longer startup but shorter recovery (and slightly less dmg)… I don’t mind it at all.
The biggest complaint everyone has about Cody is his lack of wakeup options. Balrog has horrid wakeup options, and was top-tier in vanilla SF4. Rufus didn’t have a wakeup option without EX, and when that got baited he had to lose super meter, but he was top-tier. If you had removed 50% of Sagat’s invulnerability frames from his tiger uppercut, he would’ve still been top-tier. If you’re a Daigo fan boy, Guile has pretty shitty wake up too. Reversal options do not a character make.
He has a LOT going for him. First of all I want to echo spikey’s point about jab criminal upper, especially followed by c.mp, as being extremely safe. I don’t think I ever get punished for that. He has extremely strong frame traps involving bad stone and close medium punch, extremely strong anti-air in the form of almost all his normals, and an insane zoning game. His poking game can become gdlk for a limited amount of time if you’re smart, and to top it off no one should ever focus attack against him. I’m not going to place him in the tiers right now mainly because there’s 35 characters which make for a lot of match ups. However, ragging on him ‘just because he doesn’t have a strong wake up’ is intensely silly at the least.
In short…keep playing as him. Even some of the match ups that I’ve been complaining a lot about at first (Chun-Li and Blanka specifically) I’m really starting to change my mind about. A patient Cody is very difficult to deal with.
feels likely
I think Cody’s sheer damage output is going to keep him at least Upper-Mid Tier.
I mean, his all day BnB combos deal on average 350 damage with like 400 odd stun. That’s huge overall in Super.
I’ll be really surprised if Cody isn’t pretty high, maybe top. The guy’s an absolute beast, and very versatile. You don’t have to be tricky to win this game either; straightforward and solid can and will carry you clear to victory, just look at Ryu.
i see him being ranked somewhere like balrog.
like balrog, he seems really straight forward and is a very solid character.
he doesn’t seem to excel at anything or have any broken things to propel him to the top tier but doesn’t lack in anything to make him below mid tier.
to be honest, I still feel that he’s easily one of the top 5 fighters, and will continue to be one of the top 5 (right up their with my boy, Bison)
The latest preliminary tier-list places Cody in between low-mid tier. I can’t see Cody anywhere higher than “B” tier simply because Cody’s lack of wakeup reversal hurts him. A lot. He’s one of the only character in the game without a true reversal (EX Zonk? Come on, no good player will not just cross you up to make this option useless). But to make up for this, he has good zoning and rushdown abilties.
S: N/A
A +: Rufus, Abel, Sagat
A: Dhalsim, M. Bison, Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Ibuki, Honda, Balrog, Chun Li, Guile
B +: Deejay, Hawk, Viper, Zangief, Dudley, Seth, Rose
B: Adon, Vega, Blanka, Cammy, Cody, Juri, Gouken
C +: Gen, Hakan, Guy, Sakura, Makato, Fei Long
C: Dan
I think a great deal of winning with Cody will be placed upon the user’s skill. Whether you’re able to capitalize on knockdowns, use frame-traps effectively and keep from getting your shit rushed down. Unlike a lot of other characters, he doesn’t really excel in any aspect and his wakeup options are poor. Compared to the whole roster, he’s just “average-good” in all aspects.
He has the tools to compete VS. everyone in the cast (imo). He’s not free to anyone and I don’t think he has any matchups in his favour to be honest, not even vs. Dan… On the flip-side though, I don’t think he has any matchups that are more than 6/4 in his disadvantage. A lot of his matchups are 5/5 and 6/4 (imo) which is fine with me cus I like a challenge.
So is this list based on some method or your own opinions?
Its definitely too early to say where most characters will lie on the tier list 12 months from now, especially the new ones. There will undoubtedly be things discovered that will change the tier rankings. In vanilla Blanka and Bison were initially considered top tier while C.Viper was low and Akuma was middle; it ended up changing a lot in just a year.
from a Japanese site. Check the ranking thread.
Cody isn’t just weak on wakeup… he is vulnerable to pressure too. Characters with a quality rushdown game give him a lot of problems. I think Bison easily beats Cody… Abel is also very powerful against him. At least Balrog has a lot of mobility and armor punches to make up for headbutt’s problems. I’m not sure Cody’s power on offense makes up for how bad his defense is overall.
He has a great set of normals and does a lot of damage but he’s a bit too slow on his feet to have a good throw game, and he can’t hit confirm from a low. He can keep people out, but once they are in he is in big trouble.
I’ll co-sign on the Bison problem. I rarely beat a Bison that even half-way has a brain. I haven’t gotten to play against enough Abel players yet.
I wasn’t trying to claim he was going to be top-tier, I was more just trying to illustrate the sometimes over exaggerated importance of reversals. btw sakeido mad props to your Cody thread I’ve really appreciated it.
after playing some more in this new “rushdown oriented” SF Cody can’t be high tier. Way too free on defense. EX Zonk isn’t a legitimate threat and his back dash, while it is short overall, is almost all grounded recovery so you can get punished big for it.
Considering more than half the characters in this game have a good way around fireballs, he can’t even fake rocks against most chars. He just has a decent set of normals to help him do good at midrange but once they are point blank he is so completely fucked… Zonk is a fucking joke. His offense isn’t great either… with his awful foot speed and throw range, all the other guy has to do is sit there and be patient and he has almost nothing to worry about. The damage is nice yes but his options are sooo limited
I see him ending up well into the bottom half of the tiers. where that list up there ^^ has him is probably too high.
edit: I love how I’ve completely changed my mind in less than a page of thread posts :lol: I don’t see it changing back this time, though. Cody ain’t great
actually, that list has him ranked too low. I hate to say it, but he does have some weak matchups, but overall, he IS a very strong character, with some easy combos, knife skills, and two useful ultras
i will agree that fake rocks and zonk knuckle isnt THAT useful