AEMAKOTO Guide and Q&A: Ask all your questions here!

AEMAKOTO · June 20, 2011, 11:01pm

TSURUGI CROSS UPS REFINED
New Backthrow Setups:
(Important Note: To make things easier for all Makoto players, I discovered that you don’t ALWAYS have to do hayate feint. In fact, in almost all setups, you can replace hayate feint with a s.lp or a c.lp, or even a s.mp. This makes things SO MUCH EASIER for players that have problems with hayate feints on the fly. An example of a popular setup would be: backthrow > s.lp > c.mk > MK tsurugi instead of backthrow > hayate feint > c.mk > mk tsurugi)

more Tsurugi cross ups

Spoiler

Abel:
Backthrow > Dash > s.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lp > s.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Adon:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi (replace c.lp w s.lp or hayate feint if you want)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Akuma:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurug
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable) (can be reversed)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > F+Instant LK Tsurugi > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+mp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.mp > c.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Balrog:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (crouch)

Bison:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > c.mp > HK tsurugi

Blanka:
Backthrow > s.mp > dash > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lp > f+lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > f+lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > c.lk > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (quick)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Cammy:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Chun Li:
Backthrow > dash dash dash > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (MEATY)
Backthrow > s.mp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Cody:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > s.lk-s.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Dan:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Dee Jay:
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (crouch)
Backthrow > f+hp > HK Tsurugi (easy)
Backthrow > Walk Back > HK Tsurugi (aim it late)

Dhalsim:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.mp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Dudley:
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (unblockable)
Backthrow > hayate feint > c.mk > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

El Fuerte:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > hk tsurugi (in between quick and regular)
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi

Evil Ryu:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > F+Instant LK Tsurugi > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+mp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.mp > c.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Fei Long:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Gen:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Gief:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > c.mp > MK Tsurugi (high)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (crouch)

Gouken:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (Crouch)

Guile:
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (crouch)
Backthrow > c.hk > Late HK Tsurugi (Unblockable) (Can’t be reversed)

Guy:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (Unblockable)

Hakan:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (sorta late)

Honda:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (MEATY)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Ibuki:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (MEATY)
Backthrow > s.mk > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable) (super easy)
Backthrow > S.MP > Slight Delay LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (quick) (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (unblockable)

Juri:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (Unblockable) (between quick and regular)

Ken:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > F+Instant LK Tsurugi > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+mp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.mp > c.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Makoto:
Backthrow > S.MP > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > S.MP > Slight Delay LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > c.lk > mk tsurugi (unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (quick) (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Oni:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.MP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > F+Instant LK Tsurugi > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+mp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.mp > c.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Rose:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (crouch)
Backthrow > c.hk > Late HK Tsurugi

Rufus:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (MEATY)
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > Late HK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > S.MP > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (sorta late)

Ryu:
Backthrow > c.lp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable) * (forgot what the * was for)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.mk > hayate feint > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > F+Instant LK Tsurugi > LK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > f+mp > s.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.mp > c.mk > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Sagat:
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lp > s.lk > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (crouch)
Backthrow > c.hk > j.hp (meaty)

Sakura:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.lp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi (MEATY)
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.mp > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick) (unblockable)

Seth:
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lp > s.lk > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi (unblockable)

T Hawk:
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi (unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi (meaty)
Backthrow > c.hk > j.hp

Vega:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > s.lk > s.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Viper:
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (really quick) > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > s.hp > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > S.MP > LP Hayate Feint > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > Hayate Feint > c.lk > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > c.hk > HK Tsurugi

Yang:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > LP Hayate Feint (or s/c.lp) > c.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Yun:
Backthrow > Dash > S.MK > MK Tsurugi*
Backthrow > LP Hayate Feint (or s/c.lp) > c.mp > mk tsurugi
Backthrow > Neutral LK Tsurugi (quick) > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MK > S.LP > MK Tsurugi
Backthrow > S.MP > S.LP > MK Tsurugi (Unblockable)
Backthrow > Dash > S.LK > HK Tsurugi (quick)

Diveman · June 21, 2011, 12:13am

Option selects ans safe jumps/okizeme setups vs each char as well would help

AEMAKOTO · June 21, 2011, 1:18am

OAR:
Crossup Tsurugi After EX Oroshi:

(Important Note: A lot of these setups have f+mp > c.mp as the documented setup. However, this usually only applies after a karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi. Well, a lot of your ex oroshis may come off of a crossup tsurugi, and to fix this problem, simply replace f+mp with f+lk. It works everytime. So, one more time: after a backthrow crossup tsurugi setup, replace f+mp with f+lk in c.mp setups. Also, some setups will note out ‘tested off of setup’. Don’t worry, that’s just notes pointed out for odd looking setups. ALL Dash setups work after any ex oroshi)

Spoiler

Abel:
ex oroshi > dash > s.lk > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi

Adon:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi

Akuma:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+hp > dash > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late

Balrog:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lk > mk tsurugi

Bison:
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+hp > dash > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > f+mp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi

Blanka:
ex oroshi > mp fukiage > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > f+mp > MK Tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > slight pause > MK Tsurugi (meaty)
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > f+mp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi

Cammy:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > lk tsurugi late (easier)
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi (works after setups into ex oroshi)
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Chun Li:
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > s.lk > c.hk > late lk tsurugi (only works off of close oroshi)
ex oroshi > neutral whiff mk tsurugi > late mk tsurugi (tested off of setup and worked)
ex oroshi > dash > f+mp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi

Cody:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi

Dan:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi

Dee Jay:
ex oroshi > dash > s.lk > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > dash > S.MP > mk tsurugi

Dhalsim:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > empty xu hk > mk tsurugi (works off of setups into ex oroshi only)
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Dudley:
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi

El Fuerte:
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late (works off setups)
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi (tested off of setup)

Evil Ryu:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late

Fei Long:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Gen:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > dash > S.MP > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi

Gief:
ex oroshi > dash > s.lk > s.lp > mk tsurugi

Gouken:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi * (don’t remember what this * was for)
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi

Guile:
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.mp > mk tsurugi

Guy:
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+mp > s.lp > MK Tsurugi

Hakan:
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > dash > S.MP > mk tsurugi

Honda:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Ibuki:
ex oroshi > mp fukiage > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > lk tsurugi late (easier)
ex oroshi > empty jump xu > mk tsurugi (unblockable) (works off of setups)

Juri:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi

Ken:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late

Makoto:
ex oroshi > mp fukiage > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi (lower than other versions / works off of setups)
ex oroshi > empty jump xu > mk tsurugi (works off of setups but is strict)

Oni:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late

Rose:
ex oroshi > dash > dash > S.MP > mk tsurugi

Rufus:
ex oroshi > f+hp > dash > mk tsurugi

Ryu:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+mp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > f+hk > mk tsurugi late

Sagat:
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi (meaty)

Sakura:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Seth:
ex oroshi > dash > s.lk > s.lp > mk tsurugi

T Hawk:
ex oroshi > dash > s.lk > s.lp > mk tsurugi

Vega:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi

Viper:
ex oroshi > dash > s.mp > s.lp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > dash > s.lp > s.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > f+lk > c.mp > mk tsurugi

Yang:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > empty xu hk > mk tsurugi (works off of setups into ex oroshi only)
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Yun:
ex oroshi > f+mp > c.mp > mk tsurugi
ex oroshi > empty xu hk > mk tsurugi (works off of setups into ex oroshi only)
ex oroshi > dash > c.hp > mk tsurugi

Notes: You’ll notice a few setups that utilize Late Tsurugi. I’m sure you guys know about it, but I didn’t; There is a certain point in your jump arc when you do a tsurugi, even the LK and MK tsurugi hitboxes take form of the HK Tsurugi hitbox. It’s really late into the jump, borderline passing your opponent. To me, it’s an entirely new type of tsurugi. I’ve uploaded an example of it. Do not be afraid of it. When looking at it for the first time, it looks really hard. It is NOT. In fact, it’s one of the easiest setups and I wish it worked on more characters.

Crossup J.HP Setups:
(Important Note: Some of these setups are very immature in form, because when I started looking for these, I was in a totally different direction than I ended up looking in the long run, so a VERY small amount of characters have some walkback force setups, but I scrapped the idea early on. If you like them, I can find more. Also noted is that in some examples of the vortex, j.hp after an ex oroshi is much easier on certain characters than crossup Tsurugi, such as Rose, Guile, T Hawk and Sagat)

Spoiler

Abel:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Adon:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hk > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Akuma:
Backthrow > dash > s.lp > s.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX Oroshi > hayate feint > c.mp > j.hp

Balrog:
Backthrow > c.hk > s.lk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp

Bison:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hk > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Backthrow > c.hk > s.lp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp

Blanka:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Cammy:
Backthrow > c.hk > s.lp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp

Chun Li:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp

Cody:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Dan:
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Dee Jay:
Backthrow > c.hk > s.lp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > s.lp > s.hk > j.hp

Dhalsim:

Dudley:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

El Fuerte:
Backthrow > c.hk > s.lp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Evil Ryu:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.lp > c.mk > j.hp

Fei Long:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Gen:

Gief:
Karakusa > f+mp > s.hp > j.hp (can’t be u1d)
Backthrow > f+HP > J.hp

Gouken:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hk > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Guile:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
ex oroshi > dash > s.lp > c.mp > j.hp

Guy:
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
ex oroshi > dash > s.lp > c.mp > j.hp

Hakan:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Honda:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hp > j.hp (walk back forces j.hp to crossup)

Ibuki:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hp > j.hp (walk back forces j.hp to crossup)

Juri:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Ken:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.lp > c.mk > j.hp

Makoto:
Backthrow > c.lp s.lp s.lp s.lk > j.hp (walk forces j.hp to crossup)
Backthrow > f.mp > s.lk > s.lk > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Backthrow > hayate feint > c.mk > s.lk > j.hp (walk back forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > hayate feint > c.mp > j.hp

Oni:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.lp > c.mk > j.hp

Rose:
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp
ex oroshi > dash > s.lp > c.mp > j.hp

Rufus:
Backthrow > s.lk > c.hp > j.hp (walkback forces j.hp to crossup)
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
EX Oroshi > dash > s.lp > c.mp > j.hp

Ryu:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.lp > c.mk > j.hp

Sagat:
Backthrow > c.hk > j.hp

Sakura:
Karakusa > s.lk > c.mk > j.hp
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

Seth:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp

T Hawk:
Backthrow > c.hk > j.hp
Backthrow > f+hp > j.hp

Vega:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp
Karakusa > S.HP xx EX oroshi > Hayate Feint > s.mk > j.hp

Viper:

Yang:

Yun:
Karakusa > s.hp xx ex oroshi > c.hp > j.hp (walk out)

I intend on finding more setups off of backthrow for j.hp, but xu.hp was far from the center of my attention. I’ve been using this vortex in matches with salt-inducing levels of consistency. It’s really fun to get a backthrow or ex oroshi and once your opponent tries to adjust to the vortex, it opens up Makoto’s playbook tenfold. A lot of players that eventually make adjustments become meaty fodder with s.mp, which gives me a free meaty link into s.hp, and then into whatever. Or a karakusa. I think, when you’re not stunning your opponents, you’ll enjoy the amount of options that the threat opens up for Makoto. Unfortunately, I couldn’t post my HK Tsurugi Followups, my EX Hayate followups or my blockstrings (stand/crouch) into xu tsurugi followups, but that’s because they’re not done, and I wanted to get the bulk of this vortex out now. I feel the ex oroshi part was the most important thing because it provides an unrivaled synergy off of EX Oroshi when you score a crossup Tsurugi.

Diveman · June 21, 2011, 3:04am

well, we now have training mode, so Ive been posting a lot of setups vs certain characters that cuts all their options, so, I dont know if here is a good place to put them or just leave them in the matchup thread (which is not updated btw)

the_mossad_man · June 21, 2011, 8:42am

Here is a good place especially if they are new setups that didn’t work in SSIV… but any that aren’t in a sticky already are good (I’m compiling all of the ones I can find in the stickies). Anything can help.

D4RK_ONION · June 21, 2011, 8:28pm

Wow wow wow wow. Whoever the members are behind this (I reckon I could guess a few!) you guys are amazing.

PS: maybe add damage and stun values to the normals under the frame ad/disadvantage?

AEMAKOTO · June 22, 2011, 2:42pm

(vryu inside):
I’ve updated feilong strategy part.

Next are yun and yang.

v-ryu · June 22, 2011, 3:08pm

yun updated.

the_mossad_man · June 22, 2011, 3:19pm

Wowowow thanks vryu! Great info!

D4RK_ONION · June 22, 2011, 4:54pm

In yun section, the first video refers to “some tricks vs. Fei Long”, might wanna fix that

the_mossad_man · June 22, 2011, 8:13pm

UPDATE:

I finished Comman Normals, and added the Quick Question/Answer section. In this section I took all of the threads that have popped up since AE came out, removed the questions from them, and posted the question with the most relevant answer(s). Those threads are no obsolete. I’ll continue working on the “normal’s” section, but after that i’m going to compile all of the top player’s videos since AE came out (vryu, lovelynara, Haitani, shiro, etc) in HD ONLY and organize them into one easy to manage post. Will update later!

EDIT - I will of course make exeptions for vryu videos… those are too good to pass up even if its in SD :D:D:D
EDIT - Added RM’s Hayate Cancel info to most of the normals. I still have to do jumping and crouching normals, and I’ll add the HC info when I do crouching normals.

AEMAKOTO · June 22, 2011, 11:27pm

Robot Makoto in the hizzy, dogs! Word up like a mother! Updated the combo section a little bit; I’ll finish up the hit-confirm section later. I plan to expand a little on the normals eventually, and maybe do a landing the Karakusa section and a very fleshed out frame-trapping section soon.

Blaughable · June 23, 2011, 1:17am

Would love a thorough frame trap write up!

v-ryu · June 23, 2011, 2:09am

i film with my iphone!!! top quality video xD

AEMAKOTO · June 23, 2011, 2:38pm

Frame trap section is in. I took all the applicable, useful frame traps I could think of and wrote a little summary on them. I also did a little write up for Ultra 1 and fixed a few spelling errors, and I changed the topic title since I think we all know we can post as of now

Robo.

Hitomi · June 23, 2011, 2:41pm

Oh, and I plan to get a Tsurugi section going soon.

D4RK_ONION · June 23, 2011, 3:36pm

In c.mp* you have a c.lp image in the first bit

/reading everything >_<

the_mossad_man · June 23, 2011, 3:45pm

Robot Makoto=Awesomeness! Great writeups!

D4RK_ONION · June 23, 2011, 3:50pm

Also, I’m pretty sure Adon gets up at the same time as everyone else now, so in U1 his frames of recovery should be under the “everyone else”, right? And I think one of the twins gets up a frame faster than everyone else.

Hitomi · June 23, 2011, 10:10pm

True. I’d like very much if we could get the values for AE, somehow. Maybe those of us who know Japanese could look up their sources?