Yeah, the biggest asset Jin adds to your team is his AAA.
If you want to play Jin on point, give him a good cover assist (Sent GRND, Doom AA, or Storm PROJ). He’ll die for sure without it. A good combo extender such as Tron PROJ or Spiral GRND is also highly advisable, or for mind games maybe try Rogue or Tron THRW.
Most important non-assist-aided Jin comboes are
s.jp, s.sp XX Saotome Cyclone
c.sk, c.fk, jp Jin Typhoon XX Blodia Punch.
Also, Jin has an unblockable Blodia Punch thing. If your opponent is just coming down from a normal jump and one of his assists is on screen, the final hit of Blodia Punch will be unblockable.
Also, never let Rogue Power Drain you when Jin has Saotome Shine active. She becomes a super-crackhead afterwards and you’re dead for sure.
This all doesen’t mean advanced Jin point-play isn’t important, once you have the lead if you know how to use Jin [or even if you’re behind alittle], you have better odds at sealing the deal if you can actually use the character.
Here’s a team I like using…
Cyc, Storm-a, Jin-b. That order.
-Cyc builds meter and DHC combos in Storm
-Storm rushes or runs away
-This kind of thing hurts the assist schemes of alot of otherwise viable teams. You can really hammer someone’s assist with this team [Bloodia punches, hailstorms, Jin or Cyc counterassist and move, etc…]
There’s more, but I’ll shut-up for now…
Remmy:
When you bloodia punch, As long as you hit the opponent’s assist first, even if they’re STANDING, the last hit will be unblockable; they DON’T need to be in the air. This is called a flying Screen Guardbreak. It’s similar to the Magnetic Shockwave glitch [shockwave their assist while the opponent is trying to block, and flying screen engages disengaging his block command making him eat the super].
Wow thanx for sum of thes tips guys. You helped my Jin game alot. I hope to do alot better next time I play at Camelot Golflands!
i tried but on the comp he could block, do i hit with the fist? or with blodia?
I believe it’s the mech fist that needs to hit first, BUT I think I remember the Jin hp part hitting and it still working. Someone could probably figure it out using a Dreamcast. All they’d need to do is pin stick 2 in the db position, call Dan or Commando on controller 2, and then bloodia punch it with Jin on controller 1. Perhaps someone can do it besides me [I don’t feel like running the experiment right now]
What I do know is…
1]The mech punch must make contact with the assist first. NOT THE POINTMAN. Usually if the pointman blocks the punch first it won’t work.
2]The pointman must block the rest of it. [otherwise it whiffs and you have to DHC or run the risk of dying]
If the screen shivers alittle when you hit the assist, it will GB if the pointman blocks. If not, it won’t. I was able to get it to work vs the computer and on the player as well.
-Note that it’s easier to do if the person jumps. People like to call assists and jump. You just typhoon the assist, and Bloodia punch timed so the person must land on it.
-Another way to make sure it works is that if the player fires out the assist in an attempt to relieve pressure, you block it, and if safe, hk typhoon it pinning it against the pointman then bloodia punch. It WILL unblockable.
-With Storm-Jin-Cyc I did an AC with Storm on an assist, lightning Stormed, then BP and and it guardbroke the pointman [this was vs cpu but I did do it to a player once] Therefore DHC in Bloodia punch unblockable/GB are possible.
In short…
1]Typhoon their assist [hopefully onto them so they can’t move and guaranteeing the assist gets BP first]
2]BP the assist.
-That’s the easiest way, nuff said.
Anyone tried Jin with WM’s AAA ? Warmachine’s AAA is fast so that you can hit the opponent with a crouching lk lp or something like that and they’ll get caught in the repulsor blaster which means free saotome cyclone :evil: . Jin alpha/expansion assist sets up warmachine’s infinite beautifully.
Just my opinion though…
I’m glad I stumbled upon this; I’ve noticed this phenomenon with Hulk Gamma Crush at times, but didn’t really understand the engine-related reason for it well enough to have it occur for me consistently.
I’m thinking of doing a series of threads in Marvel General Strategy discussing topics such as these. I was gonna do this, using assist sprites for offensive positioning (tried that once already, got a lot of S/D related responses) and using autoface to its maximum potential to start off with. Nothing character specific, strictly engine-based stuff that everybody on the roster can use.
The only thing really holding me back is the relatively light traffic/activity in the folder, but I really think it would be just the thing that could truly help make low tier more viable for the masses (which is the goal for me personally).
Anything the top tier can do, the low tier can make use of in a more limited fashion, while anything the low can do, the top might be able to do as well. That’s one of the major reasons I’m trying to learn to guard cancel… it’s a defensive option, usable by all characters.
I have a question. There was a single time when I was playing a funky team (Felicia, Jin, x). I don’t remember the screen placement, but I called the Sand Splash xx Blodia Punch (before the character got pushed far), then as the last two hits of the Blodia Punch connected, I decided to DHC. Flying Screen didn’t happen, but what did happen was this: Jin started another Blodia Punch, and it comboed. Granted, it didn’t combo well (only the last two hits), but the sheer bizarreness of it was enough to make my day.
Anyone know how that works, or had that happen? I haven’t had time or a DC to check it out with.
Tron Jon
Is there anything that combos off the dynamite?
Tron Jon
Captain Sword. No matter what side they are, no matter what angle they fly, if you can see when the initial hit occurs, activate the super immediately. It is doable on reaction every time [though difficult].
That isn’t the purpose of the assist though. These are the purposes…
1]To force the opponent into playing MvC1 style.
-He can’t call an assist at all [except maybe 1 in the whole game] for fear of a countercall [Neither can you BTW]. Kiss almost all assist schemes that don’t involve Doom-b goodbye.
2]To Force him to wait till Jin is called before doing anything. [Mags or Storm would love this]
-Jin-b comes out fast. I’ve seen Cables jump back against my Hulk and throw VB. I just Called Jin-b then blocked sending his ass into the corner.
Hmmm, interesting. I thought this only hapenned during flying screen. Perhaps there are occasions where the Gamma crush causes flying screen instead of pseudo Flying screen.
Here’s a Hulk unmashable that involves Jin-b, the Capcom assist, and a corner. This isn’t practical or safe, it’s just fun.
Tag in Jin-b, dash, dlk, hp, tag in Hulk, Call Capcom, Gamma crush immediately.
Sometimes you die instantly, sometimes you don’t. It’s all about timing.
And if you tag in Jin and it hits, dash and go dlk, hp, and tag on contact. Too many characters tag ins will combo with this. The most dangerous of all is Tron-Bonne.
Since she can combo off her tag in to tag out creating a vicious cycle of constant tag in and outs with Jin-b.
Thought I would add something I saw the other day, his j.HK angled downward, when connected, can combo into lp into whatever. Don’t know if this is common knowledge or anything, don’ play Jin at all. Jus something I saw was cool!
ive actually been playing a lot of Mag/Jin-a
His exanpion *cyclone) assist works wonders for mag. Basically he is a great exchange for Psy-aaa
i have options to cross up…hyper grab…launch…snapback…or just pop-up
ill be practicing more with this…and hopefully master.
stew
20
i’m surprised nobody has posted this.
what i have learned.
jin’s cyclone can be combo’d into just about every launch.
Storm’s lightning storm combo and be cancelled into saotome cyclone (maybe blodia punch.)
I am slightly appalled at people not having faith in marvel characters outside of top 4
~.~
I know that Jin isnt top tier…but he has some crazy normals. You can even begin to convince me that he cant abuse these normals and zone the same way top 4 do.
The main thing he lacks is movement. Wavedash covers that at a horizontal angle. SJ covers that at an immediate vertical angle. His descending air normals are not half bad, and like all his other normals, carry large priority. His normal cancels can provide quick mobility for cross-ups, as higher jin said earlier.
The bloodia punch unblockable glitch is enough to warrant scary assist punish strings. Bait the assist out of a blockstring, bam. The fact that he has so much range on his normals to create pressure makes this a viable tactic.
His mixup game post cyclone is admirable amongst the low tier characters. He can easily attack all 4 corners on wakeup, again using his normals/normal cancels to move around.
He has a REALLY GOOD ASSIST. More than one actually. Think of the things we give up for a really good assist. You don’t see capcom tri-jumping. You dont see any anti-air assist having the same priority on point, excepting maybe Cyke. I think it is safe to say his solo damage potential is gonna be equal to or above any other anti-rushdown assist commonly used. Cyke infinite being the main exception to this obviously.
What is his throw game like? Any follow up on midscreen throw into assist, or wall throw?
Ris,
I couldn’t agree more. I gotta dig up this old Jap vid series i DL’d that had Hayato, Jin, and other randoms absolutely beasting across the board. Great post, let them sleep on the hidden beasts.
ps
My chun’s learning the ropes.
lol I KNEW something was buggy with that Blodia Punch. I can’t recall the times my assist would get hit with that and both of us would get sent flying even though I swore I was blocking! Nice. I wonder how much damage that last hit is. Too bad you can’t DHC out of it since it causes the FS. Would be retarded if it could be extended.
Last hit does stupid damage. But if I recall you can get hit because of the glitch waay before the last hit.
My friend Burt plays jin every match and I cant count the number of times this glitch has killed 2 characters. I should ask him how he sets it up.
launch into cyclone is BnB for me.
And c.lk XXBloodia Punch seems too work but you have to see the hit can cancel fast.
In the corner i was able to land a uncomboed cyclone then dynamiteOTG XXcyclone.
Is it just me or is it easier to cancel typhoon into punch when your powered up?
