A reflection on 10 years of marvel. - Front page article!

Demon_Dash · 2010-09-07T02:21:29.000Z

^That’s an interesting quote glitch! Never seen that happen before…

Jet_Set_Dizzy · 2010-09-07T02:23:33.000Z

Its because he had a unsigned endquote.

Windsagio · 2010-09-07T02:25:48.000Z

agxlover:

snip.

You seem a tad jaundiced on the whole idea >>

Hecatom · 2010-09-07T02:32:48.000Z

people dont understand that a well designed system to prevent infinites still gives you plenty of room for creativity, yet i agree that at this point it seems that capcom hasnt designed it well

Windsagio · 2010-09-07T02:34:12.000Z

Seems like a stopgap for now, the original versions reported certainly needed a TON of tweaking.

OldSkoolFool · 2010-09-13T21:10:29.000Z

Demon_Dash:

Dude, it’s just that I’m sure all the marvel players image of what Mvc3 should have, could have been is totally different from whats in development. Most versus games have been very free flowing with room for lots of creativity. Thats where half the fun is in the training room, exploring and trying to figure out what works and doesn’t work in making combos, etc. But man, this is looking to be so restrictive with the same bnb combos.

It was stated by Seth that the current infinite prevention system isn’t final…
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Dude it’s going to have so many characters, so many new combos… it’s greatness! I have insider info and have heard from Capcom big wigs that this will be the best MvC game ever!

You can get it at least one week early at das cheap! Get it from my sponsors!

Demon_Dash · 2010-09-13T21:23:42.000Z

Sadly it’s not Capcom who decides whether it’s the best Marvel ever…

Sablicious · 2010-10-10T04:48:32.000Z

Can someone please clarify to me why this fan service, hyper kintetic mash-fest, Super Smash Brothers for 12-15 year-olds, is considered worthy of any interest beyond that of the former demographic?

Am I missing something here amoungst all the photosensitivity inducing, fluorescent graphical insanity?

EricTwist · 2010-10-10T05:09:14.000Z

Ahhhhhh, what???

Doctrine_Dark · 2010-10-10T05:12:02.000Z

Sab is a troll who fails at trolling.

Jester · 2010-10-10T06:30:28.000Z

The recurrent theme of this thread seems to be marvel vets who are steadfast in their belief that this game will be bad because it isn’t a replica of mvc2 with updated graphics vs. people who found mvc2 enjoyable, but also found it to be broken, and thus, in need of fixing for it’s sequel. Both sides of this argument have tremendous merit.

So why not surrender that argument, and take the facts as they are?

The Bad:
The game is based off of the tvc engine.
Infinites as they existed in mvc2 are gone.
The tagging system, as it stands, is prohibitive to say the least.
The button layout is undesirable to traditional marvel players.

The Good:
Most of the characters seem viable to a respectable degree. (a la SSF4)
The assist mechanisms seem more expansive than mvc2, which give more variety for setup possibilities.
The cast is peppered with fresh and interesting (yes i know this is subjective) characters as well as the mainstays.
There is a strong likelihood for DLC content, including character additions and balance tweaks.

MvC3 is going to be a game that will have to be learned from the ground up. If you’re not down, that’s fine. MvC2 and TvC aren’t going anywhere. If it’s too crazy and complicated for you, that’s fine also. You can watch and make sidebets.

Now, and I apologize for the wall of text, my personal opinion on the game.
It’s looking very defense oriented, and my prediction is that the top teams, at least out of the gate, will resemble the likes of clockw0rk, duc, and watts. I think that rushdown teams will definately ex
ist, and be effective, but not to the extent that they were in mvc2, which is where a lot of the dissatisfaction stems from.

I’m not sure where all the salt is coming from on the hitstun proration front, because it really isn’t a huge change from marvel 2. In mvc2, if you did 55 or so hits, the character got bounced, unless you did a super or a super into dhc to kill a character, which is still clearly possible in this game. The glaring difference is that you’re gonna have to choose meter or damage, cause you’re not going to be able to build meter, do damage, and still kill a character with full health. QQ

Snapbacks are still in, as well as assist killing/baiting, and with the new exchange system, there’s going to be an entire new guessing game involved. I’m usually not a glass half full person, but I’m really shocked to see the amount of negativity from players who I consider to be great.

NickRocks · 2010-10-10T10:18:17.000Z

Sablicious:

Am I missing something here amoungst all the photosensitivity inducing, fluorescent graphical insanity?

in a word: yes

ihateM.O.D.O.K · 2010-10-10T10:22:42.000Z

Sablicious:

Can someone please clarify to me why this fan service, hyper kintetic mash-fest, Super Smash Brothers for 12-15 year-olds, is considered worthy of any interest beyond that of the former demographic?

Am I missing something here amoungst all the photosensitivity inducing, fluorescent graphical insanity?

Weeding out scrubs before they even touch the game, brilliant.

Sablicious · 2010-10-14T13:08:34.000Z

Doctrine_Dark:

Sab is a troll who fails at trolling.

So I guess that would make MvC3 a ‘fighting game’ that fails at being a fighting game then…? :wgrin:

ihateM.O.D.O.K:

Weeding out scrubs before they even touch the game, brilliant.

lol @ the level of naivety required to think I would touch such a mash-mess gimmick fighter with even a barge pole! Much less thinking calling someone a ‘scrub’ for not liking the Gen Wii kiddy fighter in question is an effective insult…! :lol:

I’ll stick to more mature games, like Marvel Super Heroes Squad, thanks! :tup:

PS: The fact my earnest question regarding the validity of such a rubbishy-looking fighting game wannabe wasn’t even approached with an answer proper is definitely not lost on me…

d3v · 2010-10-14T13:32:45.000Z

I don’t get why people feel the need to troll especially after the game (in development) has received alot of positive response from those who’ve played it and the team behind it has proven that they’re open to implementing changes when feedback from the players indicates such change is needed (first UAD was removed; then the life/damage was tweaked where instead of people complaining about time-outs, we get people complaining about folks dying too quickly and now we’re getting jump cancelling back).

johnnydo · 2010-10-15T00:34:31.000Z

Sablicious, that’s NOT how you troll.

You have to talk a bunch of retarded shit about how people “don’t understand what MvC2 fans are going through” (since, you know, [media=youtube]ILE1HmL5X6g"]MvC2 players are going through *such[/I[/media]):rolleyes:, and then label anyone who doesn’t agree with you a “scrub”

Negative-Zer0 · 2010-10-15T00:38:38.000Z

I kinda think they should tone down the effects. Some those effects are to unnecessarily shiny which is over doing it. There doesn’t need to be an explosion of colors every time i land a punch.

Windsagio · 2010-10-15T01:36:11.000Z

They should desticky this thread. Yeah the initial post is cool and good reading, but now it’s just trollbait.

… or just lock it and leave it up, that works too.

Robo-mitsu · 2010-10-15T02:05:48.000Z

Windsagio:

They should desticky this thread. Yeah the initial post is cool and good reading, but now it’s just trollbait.

… or just lock it and leave it up, that works too.

I second this.

CoLoNeL · 2010-11-03T03:49:32.000Z

agxlover:

“MvC3 is terrible. It is the SF4-ization of Versus games: dumbed down, and made without any real understanding of what made the previous games fun or deep.
An easy way to sum up my hopes for the game is the evolution of the tag command. Tag was Back+Assist at E3, meaning you couldn’t defend and assist, you would tag instead. Then they “listened to the community” when everyone said what a horrible mechanic that was…so at Evo, they changed it to hold down the assist button for a few seconds. Yes, you can assist while defending, but you can’t tag on a moment’s notice anymore! Want to avoid that imminent chip death by tagging? Too bad!
They paint this as “we listened”, and they might change it again…but the fact remains, what this really shows is that they have no idea what they’re doing. Anyone who played MvC2 for any respectable length of time would know right away that both Back+Assist and [Assist] are not good implementations of how to tag…and yet both of those ideas got OK’d by their design team and were put into public builds of the game.
Now imagine those same people trying to ‘fix’ the rest of the game based on player feedback.
(To prove my point - since you can’t call assists during E moves anyway, what about E+A1 or E+A2? No problems there.)
After this new generation of fighters, I am very afraid that Capcom will actually try to make a new Darkstalkers or SF3-series game and ruin those franchises as well. I honestly don’t know who is swallowing this “more like MvC2 every day” stuff they keep shouting as each new build is worse than the last…”

Best fucking post yet. Sorry but it’s looking like Capcom is more concerned by adding 9999999 variations of sound bites to Deadpool’s moves or lining up Spiderman DLC costumes than figuring out how to make a COMFORTABLE and instantly reactive control scheme. When I heard that back+assist = tag or holding an assist for a second makes you tag out… I have completely lost any hope of this being a decent Marvel game. Direction+button and holding button have never been used for any vs. game AFAIK; it’s simply not sensible and does not fit into an extremely fast paced game such as this (may work in traditional SF games). Call me jaded but it makes no sense for one to have to hold a god damn assist button to switch out; it’s not robust, it delays things, it makes it harder for you to survive on a whim even though you have put in every effort to save a dying character (like how people tag out in the middle of a hailstorm to avoid death and only take tiny bit of a damage).