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Psycho and Soul Power are mental disciplines, both manifestations and manipulations of psychic energy. Bison and Rose being the only practitioners of this lost art (probably because Bison killed his peers) is the probably the reason why they “share the same soul”, IE it’s metaphorical and not Soul in the Judeo-Christian sense of the word. I’m not privy to the Japanese SFA3 Rose ending but the english one barely makes any sense. But here is what I can muster:

1- Rose refers to Bison as Master, implying she could’ve studied under him or with him before he went psychopathic on everyone.

2- Before Rose destroys Bison, Bison explains that his soul cannot be extinguished and asks her to foresee the future. In this vision, Rose sees that Bison did not die but has in fact possessed her body (an ability that Rose did not think Bison can do hence her surprise). Bison explains to her that they will become “two lives sharing one soul” which really means two consciousness inhabiting one body, he then explains that it is her that will “stand victorious at the day of doom” as in that it is through her that Bison will survive and achieve victory, referencing the fact that he has possessed her in this vision.

3- The most important piece of evidence is the fact that Bison asks her to see the future. Bison and Rose never were “two lives sharing one soul” in the past, the vision that Rose sees and Bison explains is of an event that was yet to happen.

4- The confusing part is “We’ll return to where we belong as our wish”, which could really mean that “you brought this onto yourself” or even “be careful what you wish for” because she’s been trying to stop him for two games and hasn’t figured that he’s simply more powerful than her.

Her SF4 Epilogue makes no mention of them sharing a history together as one person, only of the possession I just described. I’m not sure what Bison took from her but I believe he wiped her memory of the events. The “with interest” part is a reference to him kidnapping her (which was stopped by Guy). I do not think he was referring to fragments of his “soul”. This is my take on it at least.

And yes, Cammy is not a clone, she is genetically engineered much like the the little girl in Balrog’s ending. However, much like Decapre, I do think they were engineered to be more sensitive to Psycho Power, which allows Bison to manipulate them easily and also by extension allows them some psycho power infused abilities.

Seth and Abel are also genetically engineered clones, however Seth and the 27 host bodies were cybernetically augmented to better withstand Bison’s power. I find it funny when they are referred to as androids.

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Daemos, in regards to the SF4 Epilogue, Bison definitely seems to be wiping her memories…memories of all of Shadaloo and SINs data that Rose was privy too while in Bison’s body. That is certainly something he wouldn’t want her to have.

Hmm I might have to review some of that stuff. I have also always considered the “soul” stuff to be very fishy from the plot guide (as I’ve pointed out before). It definitely seems more like a Vader/Luke thing…but with psychic warriors…wait Jedi ARE psychic warriors. Hmm. I’ll have to think on this.

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Oh thissss…from yearrrs agooo

Yes. Let me start by saying this. The whole soul split thing was created and propagated within Shoryuken forums. It is nowhere outside of it, it is nowhere in ANY outside source material I searched in, I even went to Japanese forums and the Japanese themselves don’t even see it anywhere near that way.

I tried to tell Vasili that this was a result of (no doubt he worked hard at it) mistranslation of a certain phrase or passage (I will edit here when I remember what it was, but it’s there in the thread a few years back, or sadly, in a PM now lost),

Anyway I found the old thread http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/m-bisons-nationality/13803/69 where we discussed part of it.

I can’t find the old one in the Fan Fic thread. It must be there, I remember trying to explain to Vasili his mistranslation of 違えど, where Bison says “Our Lives are different but our soul…”

Sorry Lord Vega if you’re reading this I think a long time ago we talked about what AAC said. I think it was around the time i started to slowly disappear for a while. It was in a PM. I still have it. Edit :Also Lord Vega, I do agree that Katsute no Shi might be referring to her Master who is not Bison, it’s simply the way it is written, and may be about completing the sentence “Master from before(he died)…” (and then trying to remember his warnings.) The fact is, I am forced to assume that Rose is Bison’s disciple simply because the interpreter of the ending in AAC decided to take it that way, even though she might not know the whole intention of the sentence. but anyway…

but yes, I’ve read, and AAC pretty much just said (and this is from the interpreters view but no need to go there)

  1. Rose is established to be Bison’s disciple. <This is the interpreters own understanding of the ending. As written in the index.
  2. From that point in her ending, their souls were as one.
    ^ That’s from the index
    This is exactly just how it is.
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Thanks for the post Roki, it’s not far off from what I interpreted from the English ending above (so I’m not crazy!). The most confusing statement which is yet to make sense is “We’ll return to where we belong as our wish” - what was their common goal? Capcom don’t think it to be relevant because they only part they reference in that ending is the possession that took place and explain how Bison used her body to get back to his base, transferred his consciousness into a new body and disposed of Rose.

Interestingly Bison did not kill her then and did not kill her in SF4. I guess he finds her useful like a tool and/or enjoys tormenting her (he refers to her as fodder in SF4 which implies Bison feeds off her fear/anger/hate by tormenting her possibly).

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Hi Daemos! (No you never were crazy) I always read that logically (interpreted) as "once again we have a common wish for the future "

So it’s not that they share the same wish from the past, but that now they both have a same wish again, for example (and example only ) previously they both wished for total world peace . Now, once he is in her body, he (and so by now her as well by default) wish for world domination.

Honestly I think Capcom tweaked it so it’s not what we can properly branch off from her SFZ3 ending anymore.

The only way to do it is far fetched speculation like…guy carried rose -> Guy felt bison -> bison took over Guy because he actually was losing control of rose as well since he also couldn’t conquer her (fair since she couldn’t conquer him both times either)-> he had to run back to whatever place because in the game Guy’s run is pretty fast so he left Rose there ( and in his haste left some stuff behind in Rose) -> Rose wakes up -> gets recaptured -_- -> bison takes more back, plus extra soul power.

There. Now I feel dirty for this kind of speculation. I mean what the hell who’d speculate stuff like this and spread it around just cause it “fits” . I’ll go take a shower now.

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Well if go by SF4 and the New Canon™ which takes place months to a year after the events of SF2, then the possession of Rose was a separate and isolated event that is reminiscent of her SFA3 ending but is NOT her SFA3 ending.

If the events of SF2 or rather the events preceding SF4 are what was in Viper’s Aftermath video then no way Rose V Bison happened then. Rose herself references the possession that took place but as an event that happened “many years ago” and in the flashback it appears to be a 1v1 scenario between the two more similar to her SFA1/A2 endings.

Guy and Rose knew one another prior to SF4 but in the New Canon™ and as far as we know, Guy coming to her rescue after a confrontation with Bison happened for the first time in SF4. There is nothing to suggest anymore that Rose’s SFA3 ending happened as it is. What happened rather is that Ono recycled her SFA3 ending and turned it into two separate events - which are covered in Rose’s prologue and epilogue in SF4.

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As a Martial Artist I’ve studied many styles and forms. These ARE very deadly forms and take year’s to Master. Though idea’s such as fire ball’s in real life people disagree. They are fool’s. Only through year’s of training and meditation and treating your body like a Temple will one understand their own chi. The word Impossible says I’m Possible. Remember this.

If anyone would like to talk more look me up on FB Michael McCarter.

Keep an open mind. Its not all fun and Game’s. I’ve read all your Post’s and yet it refers back to Street Fighter. Well I’m here to state that these are Actual Deadly Move’s.

Blessings to you all.

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@MichaelMcCarter:

This year’s end --> Apostrophe since it’s the genitive.
The years go by --> No apostrophe since it’s plural.

Please learn the difference.

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I just have this question. Can the “raging demon” one hit KO any opponent regardless of their strength? Like we’ve seen it done to humans but what about Supernatural or Superpowered beings like higher class Darkstalkers such as Jedah Dohma and Morrigan, or Super beings like Superman or The Hulk? If it can then wouldn’t it be more than just a thousand well placed strikes? I think the move would have to be supernatural to one shot such characters.

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I doubt it would do anything to the Darkstalkers. They’re all so above the strongest Street Fighter it’s insane. As for Superman and the Hulk, we would have to adapt them into the SF universe or adapt Akuma into their comic universes. The Street fighters are incredibly durable and capable of superhuman feats, though with SGS it’s something that could probably do some serious damage/kill to someone like Captain America, but Hulk or Superman would shrug it off since it’s not actually magic and from the analysis in this thread, doesn’t literally take one to hell. Just my thoughts.

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@Shockdingo “I doubt it would do anything to the Darkstalkers. They’re all so above the strongest Street Fighter it’s insane” I’m sure that’s the case with the upper class ones like Jedah, Morrigan, Demetri, and Anakaris. But lower class ones like Felicia, Hsein-Ko, and Talbain, I doubt they’re that tough. I was hoping to hear from the OP to see what he thought. Maybe this might give him something to think about. But I appreciate your input.

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In agreement with shockdingo. The Darkstalkers as far as I know (and my canon knowledge of Vampire is pretty limited) are pretty far beyond Street Fighters. Akuma would be in a tier that would probably not be totally outmatched by some of them, however. As far ast he one hit KO? No, it’s not regardless of strength AT ALL. It’s still a physical attack…and it isn’t perfect. Akuma continues to create new techniques to try to make even deadlier attacks…and some of them output WAY more damage like splitting Ayers Rock, etc. It certainly is not a OHKO or OHKill. Not guaranteed. Not by a long-shot.

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@YagamiFire OK so the way you see it, the SGS is a very powerful physical attack, but if one is extremely powerful themselves such as the higher tier Darkstalkers then they can take the SGS. Ones “power level” does play a factor in withstanding the attack. Now answer this. How is the SGS able to one shot Dictator, and Gill? Sure they were able to revive themselves but they were still taken down by it. Or are they just not on the level of higher tier Darkstalkers?

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The SGS can be tanked (probably impossible for anything human to do this since the SF fighters are still portrayed as relying on defense rather than developing superhuman durability) or, preferably, defended. That some Darkstalkers can tank it OR defend against it just speaks to their insane physical stats and durability.

As for your question? It’s kinda obvious. It didn’t.

Canonically, the SGS did not one shot Dictator or Gill. Dic being one-shot by it has always been of dubious canon-fact and has definitely since been retcon’d if it ever was to be taken as gospel, now having been nothing but a showing of “new villain stink” for Akuma before it was made clear that Akuma could not eclipse Dic as the premiere villain.

As for Gill…yeah that never happened. There’s no canon support for Gill ever having even MET Akuma, much less having received an SGS.

Where are you getting your facts from? Vasili and the plot guide? He’s a proven liar and the plot guide is, in turn, filled with his lies.

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The plot guide had said Gill was struck down by Akuma’s SGS by surprise. But Akuma didn’t realise Gill ressurected himself. As for Dictator the plot guide says he survived by using a new body. Hence his appearance in SF4. When I say one shot, I don’t mean permanent death. I mean the character was defeated or rendered defenseless with one hit. I feel you have some really good theories, but I’m not gonna completely dismiss the plot that’s official by Capcom

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That’s because the old canon was retconned and the old SF2 ending isn’t true in the SF4 continuity anymore. If you want to know how SF2 ended inside the SF4 continuity, have a look at this:

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As already explained, that situation with Dictator was of fuzzy continuity and then fully dismissed. It was originally a retcon then was retcon’d away. Regarding Gill…that seems to be plot guide fabrication. It’s a game easter egg/in-joke with no other material support and I’ve never even seen anything to support Gill and Gouki ever meeting.

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I’m sure Akuma display a super durability feat in his third strike ending where he withstands deep sea pressure . here’s the ending in question

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Gouki is an outlier along with some of the other top tiers. However, I wouldn’t think too hard about the physics of Gouki being at the bottom of the ocean vs getting punched by a world warrior.

if you put a gun to Gouki’s head and pulled the trigger there’s nothing really to suggest that his BODY would just tank it…especially not like how someone like Victor or Jedah or Demitri would. Dodge it? Sure. Defend it with his fighting aura? Absolutely. But Superman-like bulletproofing? No.

Pressure at that depth is like getting shot by a bullet everywhere at once…but the physics of it was not in mind by the people that created that ending.

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there’s also the SF4 rival battle with Ryu where Akuma talks about transcended your humanity . suggestion that he has transcended humanity the guy is always in Satsui no Hado he’s never out of it. if Akuma were to go up against Batman in hand to hand combat Akuma would murder Batman he would even need to use the Shun Goku Satsu. Batman would be at a severe disadvantage in fight against Akuma for the fact that Chi doesn’t exist in any of the DC Universes.

in fact I would say Batman would get his ass stomp by most of the SF cast in hand to hand combat ( without gadgets.) anime peak human is greater than comic book peak human. speaking of battle aura I say that Kenshiro could tank Shun Goku Satsu with his battle aura and yes Kenshiro has battle aura. battle aura is probably the reason for Akuma developing stronger attacks, because their might be fighters with battle aura in SF universe that can tank his Shun Goku Satsu ( theory).