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Greenflag, it’s pointless bro. Some people just don’t get it and never will. Te, thx for sharing the vids. You keep playing the “way” you do and lets just leave it at that. If you wanna level up your game then maybe you can start listening to some of us here and if not that’s fine too. The fact is we’re trying to help you and give you some advice cause frankly you’re Hawk is atrocious and I’m not saying that to be a dick, it’s just a fact but everyone has the right to play the way they want to so good luck.

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if you pay attention to that playlist its a steady climb in ranks and lots of Ws thanks though as sloppy and atrocious as my THawk is he wins like charlie sheen…

ps wheres the link to your videos mr im amazing at SF? I mean your so amazing you want to force your teachings on me lets see what your thawk looks like…

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Told you dude. Mad salty. When you post things here, you sort of have to be prepared to have them picked apart and critiqued. It’s really just the nature of the forums, as this is kind of a hub that most players use to level up their game.

Some people here are being outright mean, but greenflag and scratchback were only trying to help, and the only reason they’re getting mad is that you’re coming off as really defensive and apparently a little arrogant too.

If you’d like to turn this thread into some kind of a learning tool to better your gameplay, I’m sure we would be more than happy to help you. =]

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I’m watching the videos now… Let’s see what the ruckus is about

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Ok So… I have a few questions I want you to try to answer.

  1. Yo go for this set up a lot; Splash; Crouch Strong. You either DP or an SPD of some type. Why do you go for this set up?
  2. Why do you go for SPD after a whiff condor dive?
  3. Why do you mash SPDs during block and hit strings?
  4. What advantages do you gain from Holding Up Back when you have the light lead?
  5. Would you say the people you are playing against have reaction?
  6. What do you gain from forcing your opponant do block Close Condor Dives, a move that is unsafe on block.
  7. How many Jabs can T.Hawk hit confirm on hit off of a Splash? What about on counter hit?
  8. What advantages do you get from jumping in and doing a Late condor dive? Why would you do this if you know they have a DP that could punishand knock you down?
  9. Why do you let your opponents jump in on you?
  10. Why do Tick throws instead of guaranteed hit confirms on a hit.
  11. In hit situations I see you trying to reversal something, what are you pressing?
  12. If in all of your matchs you used Ultra 2 intstead of Ultra 1, how many wins do you think you would have out of the 43?
  13. Why do you continue to do the same setups against players, regardlss of their character?
  14. Explain to me how T.Hawk wins this match [media=youtube]Mh7HOpPU4yw[/media]
  15. Explain why you lost in 14.

I pretty much have your game plan figured out but it would nice to see if you know exactly what you are doing.

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its splash, crouch medium
a. 30 second mark is one reason I use the crouch medium, it hits on both sides and has what seems to be a large hit box. [media=youtube]ktx0ak3qkZU[/media]
b.depending on the pattern you have been reacting with I counter with, i usually start with splash cr med hp command for max damage, if the person knows that after the cr med my “combo is dropped” depending on how they start reacting like neutral jump, then I start doing the DP, they figure out how to get away from that I start linking that splash into 4 crouching lows for a super simple 5 hit combo.

I drop the dive short on purpose to catch people holding back and grab them. you will notice I do alot of fast dives when I have barely left the ground to set that up also. Or while doing ex condor dive there is a weird stutter as he lands that some characters react strangely to and get caught in a vortex that lets me ultra or spd them. Alot of times if you lull someone into holding back and letting you dive in and spd them if you do the mid or full screen dance like mike ross does to get bisons to slide for 5 - 10 seconds with a full or half screen between you.

because it works… thats like asking a ryu player why he uses fireballs…
if the person stops falling for it and reacts I dont use it for a while and go for splash lp,lp,lp,lp, or something else

im guessing you mean life lead… and as some one states in one of the thawk threads, alot of times you have to take alot of damage to get in with thawk but once your there you can do some damage, if i get in on someone do the damage to get in the lead then they slip away, why would I chase them down? I dunno but half the time I do anyways sometimes i up back and wait for a chance to ex dive them as they move forward while I jump back, about the only good use for ex dive other than the stutter vortex i mentioned.

/shrug

when they block I am in the air, they get 1 hit usually on me before im on the ground and its back in my favor of a 50 50,
it also trains them to block my dive so when i drop it short on purpose they are holding back to block it, just in time for my ultra to be ready.

off a splash mid screen 4 in the corner 5 (sometimes it will drop after 3 if spacing isnt right)

I do that late dive because most people dont expect it because all the other thawk players
A. dont use the dive B. only use it at its peak height
I also use dives to move faster around the screen instead of trying to fadc or anything.

I am a terrible blocker hence why i try to be so offensive
because thawk doesnt have a reliable anti air, as just about any thawk player will tell you, you can try cr hp that works some, you can try tomahawk buster, that works some, spire with it slow start up…but alot of his “anti airs” trade at best but usually get stuffed

by tick throw im guessing your talking about cr med to spd, if your not blocking it why would i stop going for more damage?

I use my spd to wait for people to drop combos that are way to hard for them, or I use tomahawk buster to reversal crossup mixups.

To be honest I am not sure, I know it works well against thawk as ferdafat always shows me hah

If they do not block why would I stop?

I am not a deceitful person so I put up my losses to this guy as well as my wins, it was a fun ranked match playing his able, i happened to find him in the endless lobby and wanted a rematch but he brought his makoto instead, he even sent me a message asking if I wanted him to bring abel but I told him play who he enjoys playing, so we played 3 games he won 1 i won 2 but he also beat me with Abel so we are 2 and 2 and because I play for fun, ties are fine with me =P I also intend on playing with him again in the future he was a tough fighter. I still think I can mash out some victories over that Abel though.

despite how it looks I sort of do, and I enjoy playing thawk my way

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The OP was not arrogant, and when someone wants to attack you over nothing, yeah you get defensive, You dont want to watch the videos thats fine, think my thawk is trash fine, but dont come in here acting all high and mighty to me over something I do for fun trying to tell me how I do everything is wrong and will get you killed in a setting you dont even play in. Say nothing, Say thanks, give a thumbs up or a thumbs down and move along. thats what I wanted when I created this thread. What did I get, a bunch of trolls being dicks for no reason as usual. Makes me want to delete my account and never look back…

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This is going to be long but I am going to be completely honest. My objective is to try my best to make all Hawk players play better… A hard feet because T.hawk is terrible and promotes horrible fundamentals. Ill try my best to explain how I felt about what I watched…

Those 43 matches were the hardest thing to sit through for a lot of reasons. The people you are playing agasint, even the Abel, are absolutely terrible. There is not exception to this. They were all bad. Good for you since it helps you learn the character and try stuff out. Sadly, a lot of the “tatics” or “tricks” you do make absolutely no sense but given the skill level, I guess it dosent matter…

Low Strong is -2 on block, this is a fairly easy punish… Low Strong does NOT hit on both sides. In fact, the other side of Low strong nothing, No hit box, no vulnerable box, NOTHING.

If a body splash connects just go for a BnB Like Close Strong xx DP… This does 280+ damage, gives you corner progression, and puts them in a mix up. Its a lot strong than going for Splash on hit, Low Strong, on hip and then pray that they stay in downback and SPD them. Doing stuff like that works every now an again but doing it all the time makes you predictable, readable, and does not make you any better. The abel player you played blew up up for scrub tactics. nothing worked on him.

F.U.C.K Condor Dive shiningans. It only works against scrubs. If they block it, everyoone can punish. I use it do break focus, its actual purpose. So if I see them focus, I quick dive, it breaks armor and puts them in a mix up. No one does Dive shinigans anymore because they are readable, easy to deal with, and make you look like an idiot. If I see a T.Hawk jump at me, i just hold up… If they are jumping back with meter, i just hold up. The people you were playing were just stupid and didnt know this. So many times I watched you get outplayed and then you just random ultra them because they have no reaction.

The players you were playing have no reaction, at all

There is no benifit from holding up back when you have the life lead. T.Hawk is good with meter and garbage with out. So why would you waste a meter on a guess (ex dive) and then watch you get all bent out of shape when they jump over your obvious read"

T.hawk has good anti airs. he has a 5 frame DP… and 4 anti air normals… Acutally… 6 if you count character specific situations. His DP is not bad people are just terrible and have no reaction. Practice anti airing. There is not reason why you should just let people jump in on you for free. T.Hawk cant take damage but he can take stun.

If someone gets a hit on you just let them finish. If they get you in a block string howeve,r you need to learn to know whats a Block string vs frame trap vs random buttons once you know that , reversals dont turn into a matter of a “lucky guess” but a GUARANTEE

You go for the same set ups against all players because thats all you know. it works, whatever. It bothers certain players because the Auto pilot mentality. You have X game plan and then when X game plan dosent work you have no back up to go to and you just keep doing it.

This is your Auto Pilot.

  1. Jump, in a lot
  2. if they are hitting me Mash 360, They will make a mistake obviously
  3. During my jumping, Use Heavy normals like Fierce and roundhouse
  4. During some jumps just Condor Dive and mash 360, theyll think it will hit right? they wont dp right?
  5. If im in a mix up just DP or 360… One will work right?
  6. If I connect Splash, Do low strong everytime, if they block, SPD ir they just DP, They will want to jump because that is their best option to get out of my mix up when I have a dp right? I mean they dont know that you can just back dash my mix plan so just keep doing it. Even if they block the splash do the same setup…Actually maybe throw in some jabs if think they will do something else that I dont know how to properlly deal with… That will work…right?
  7. If I have the life lead just hold up back, they will get impaitent and come to me and then Ill jsut EX Condor dive! They dont have reaction to punish it…right?

I was watching your matches and I legit thought after the 20th game this was your set up

LP/MP/PPP/KKK
NF/NF/NF/NF

Oi Vey

AE PC is soooooooooo bad man… I dont know how people play that. =/

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nice job copy and pasting a punch of questions waiting for me to reply then pasting your answer without reading my replies, another troll tactic i see alot from you heathens…

again I will say I USE CROUCHING MEDIUM!!! damn you are horrible at this.
and again You come at me with your I am better play my way attitude…,
thanks but no thanks, thumbs up, thumbs down move along i dont need your holier then though attitude

my setup is lp mp hp n/a
lk mk hk n/a

If I use medium kick its because you have figured out the stuff I told you in here
I dont use normal throw
I dont use super
I dont use focus unless its accidental
I dont use the slap move unless its an accident
I recognize patterns and use that to out position myself on the screen and make things awkward

I didnt come here saying "check out my sick combo video"
I said here is some of my mashed out game play, good luck finding something useful
you all want to troll me, i like playing with trolls…it makes me laugh.

i have 5k+ bp on xblive, aepc, and psn using the same tactics on all three consoles

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sorry i dont follow your flowchart haha

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I posted those questions with the thought that you would try to look at your play and be able to answer them which you did to a fairly decent extent. It was never meant for a troll… Im one of the originators of this character… If it was not for myself and a good hand full of players, people would not even mention T.Hawk, ever.I want people to come into this community of players so thinking Im here to troll and discourage players is close minded and offensive.

Youre getting defensive when all I’m trying to do is give you something constructive to work from. When you post 43 match videos of your play you are going to get picked apart, thats just how the medium of youtube has been working for years. Thats why I never post my clarinet playing on there, even though it would be nice to get outside information from other people who do exactly what I do. Its the same with fighting games. You cant expect to post something on the internet without it getting picked apart time and time over.

I never read threads on the T.hawks… I usually just read OP and respond. I noticed this was getting a lot of buzz so I figured id take a look. I gave my two cents, my HONEST two cents. I dont want people to come in the thawk forums and think that we accept a low standard. A lot of the players on here expect a very high standard of play so its meh…

Im not trying to Troll you at all… Im just telling you what I saw which was not all too appealing but I wanted to put in my two cents from someone with some credibility to sort of give you an idea of whats going on.

Medium is the Same thing as strong…Medium… Light, Meduim, heavy are marvel terms… =/

Jab/LP/Light
Strong/MP/Medium
Fierce/HP/Heavy
Sweep/HK etc etc etc etc

Take what people sya and just ask yourself, “Why would they think that? Why would they say that?” The FGC is saturated with this idea that everyone is out to troll everyone. I never really understood that.

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Wow, just wow. First off, who the hell’s acting “all high and mighty”? Trolls being dicks? You post some vids, we take some time to watch them, give you some constructive criticism, and we’re dicks or trolls? Greenflag, Joe, guys, I’m done with this thread. There’s nothing wrong with being a terrible player that has no clue but when that same player thinks what he’s doing is right then I guess there’s just no hope. Yes, there are plenty of dicks here on the forum but I personally always try and help everyone no matter what skill level and that’s what I was trying to do here but I guess that makes me a troll or a dick in your mind, whatever.

Oh and actually comparing mashing 360 to fireballs? Really? Just unreal. Joe, I agree with u also. I only watched a handful of vids but it was just excruciating to watch. Definitely, one of the worst Hawks I’ve ever seen hands down. Btw, BP means jack shit.

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I watched all of them. All 43… And came back with ideas. Im not mad… just kind of confused…

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and someone said I was arrogant…
so your saying you posted those questions to test my knowledge, as if i have to prove myself to you…
I did not have to go back and look at my game play (I was at the in laws in the pool) I answered your half ass quiz from knowing how i play.

again i didnt say, check out my sick combo video, or watch how godlike I am…there is nothing to pick apart…

wellll exxxcuuuuuuseee me! Didnt mean to get dirt on your rug upity bitch.

starts street fighter, options, button config, “light,medium,heavy” yup
returns two bits

scrolls up no idea at all…

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you tube hit counter disagrees, but your at least on the right path by taking the time to watch them all before telling me how awesome you are and how bad I am…what are you confused about?

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you all act like your a FGCommunity and you get on here thinking your better than everyone and acting rude for no reason and think your being a part of the FGC tough love bs… my arcade growing up, one guy dumped his money into the new fighting games, just learning the moves list and writing it down, typed it up, printed it out and sold copies for $0.50 to remake the money he spent to do it, he did this to lvl up the community, we certainly didnt make anyone take a pop quiz before they could come play… you all are unreal…

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You know what? You’re right and we are all wrong.

I looked through each and every one… Gave my thoughts but apparently that was not what you wanted. You wanted people to just be ok with how you were playing and take with a grain of salt and just let you do your thing. You were not looking for people’s advice to help you get better or anything. You just posted 43 videos worth of exposure, Ok,

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It has nothing to with the platform, there is a ton of great players on PC.

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exactly…

Though I will say if you have any videos or tips for me to help with my craft like this gem…

[media=youtube]xxBDuH3nqfQ[/media]

Send them my way…