Nah, you can leave jump back instant parry quite late and the motion itself can be done fast with practice. Besides the problem with jab is that it loses out to early air attacks quite badly. Dudley and Alex’s jumping fierce are classic examples of this. Shoto jump fierce works too though. Just not as good.
That’s why you tap forward and then press jab. As for the jump back parry, I always let the stick return to neutral instead of just going from u/b to forward, so for me it’s a lot slower.
You must be fucked up or something if you can’t do that fast. I mean you can return the stick to neutral yourself by just pointing it there, you do realize that right?
I’m not a pro, and there aren’t a lot of 3S tourneys in California these days, but I put out vids, and it seems that a lot of ppl still do, in the U.S. and other places. I’d LOVE it if you uploaded vids from JP casuals :cough:Pierrot:cough: :nunchuck: If you only want to show the high-level matches, you can always delete the lame/boring fights lol. I’m personally trying to get more picky about which vids I upload. I’m still seeing matches that seem to be the only source of combos that were previously unknown to me, so they could pop up almost any time.
Usually in japan only the game centers itself record vids. I’ve thought about trying to record casual matches but haven’t really for a few reasons…
-usually when I’m not playing I like to either talk to other players/have a quick smoke.
-some game centers actually don’t allow it.
-can be considered rude or disrespectful to the other player.
-looks rather noob to be recording every match.
And the biggest reason…
-I don’t want the responsibility of holding and carrying the camera (lazy)
this^
The statement with the beginners watching is what my lil 2 cents was aimed at, and LBR basically just hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to say lol “there are way better options”
Just saying try to keep that in mind when making videos Green Tea, either way the cause is what’s important
Thing is you just told us that there are way better options but haven’t provided them. A new player that reads your post is gonna ask someone he knows if he’s read the name sf3lp or LBR. That person is prolly going to say yes and newbie over there is going to listen to what you type and not bother trying to learn the video. Let’s say that jab isn’t the most damaging option, but it certainly gives you plenty of ways out, so maybe it’s one of the safer options. Maybe! Part of 3s is learning where your shit works best and probably the most important part is learning WHEN your shit works best. Anyone reading the thread or learning their combos in practice mode didn’t learn the HARDEST combos first, they learned the easiest. No bullshit, AA jab situations have a lot less strung to it than AA uppercut on their jump in.
Remember back to when you were a lesser scrub and try and see things from their eyes. Jab is easy. Graceful degradation is a lot harder than progressive enhancement.
you guys need to read the first post i made on this thread. ive already provided the better options. please read. especially you dander (and circlemasher)
edit: ill make it easier for you guys so you guys dont have to go back a page to read it.
ive already said everything thats been said, please read.
circlemasher: ill be nice and answer why i think its pointless why you bring up st strong, st fierce etc as an option besides st jab. while it does work once in awhile, its not the practical/better option. its essentially the same thing as using st jab, the mix up is after you parry the st jab/strong/fierce/etc, if you got the parry, you the person jumping in, tries to retaliate or air parries the following sequence of moves. that is the same mix up just done with different normals.
there are exceptions like kens st far fierce and duds low roundhouse i think (of course depending on the match ups), where the move is used pre-emptively, hitting them as they jump. but that is beside the point.
dander: ill say it a 3rd time, you guys need to read what is being said. incase my word regardless of correct knowledge is in question, ryan and lloyd have both agreed to what i have said. less apples and oranges for you?
jab is easy, but its like fixating on only one aspect of how to handle jump ins. when trying to teach a beginner, you should already point out the different ways to handle a jump in since this isnt a game where anti airs are clear and cut like ST. there is a mix up to jump ins, whether that be multi-hitting ground normals/specials, or anything else ive already mentioned early on in the first page.
One thing I hate about most players is they expect everything spoon fed to them. Alternatives to jab are fucking obvious, you’re just being fucking lazy. I mean dash under is an obvious (yet effective) answer. Use your fucking brains ffs.
I think you misread me: yes those can be seen as the same jab mix-ups done with different normals, but I brought them up because JoeTheCondor said non-jab normals just get parried, but sometimes they won’t, and even if they do then that can be useful in more than just a cancel-to-special/super sense.
Other attacks often have differently-shaped hitboxes, get-hitboxes and timings to jabs, and can ask the jumper to pay more attention to when they put out an option parry. Attacks other than jabs sometimes have other properties too and present different option selects that jabs may not have, like being jump-cancelable. Why else would Chun’s AA crouch>option parry>cl.fk>SJC be so useful? The twins, Oro, Twelve and Ibuki (any others?) can also use that technique in their own ways.
The other reason non-jabs normals can be useful is creating expectation: if I jump-in on an Alex and parry his AA mp, then I EXPECT there to be an EX Knee Rise follow-up - if that doesn’t come then it might scramble my brain for a second and by the time I’ve hit the ground I may not have hit him with anything because I didn’t want to ruin my chances of parrying the Knee Rise.
The options in your first post were all sound, but that doesn’t negate jabs or other normals as AAs, it’s just about putting them to the right use.
i do remember when i was a lesser scrub but i always took the time to study things and do my best to learn the best options as much as i could…now with videos coming out ppl want things spoon fed as Womble said but the thing is i simply said to Green Tea to keep in mind that there are better options that should be seen rather than just AA jab since he is the one posting the videos, so its not up to me to just give out the better options when there can be a visual explanation of them as Green Tea is doing…ppl look to videos now and days for information so listing the options here would be defeating the purpose of Green Tea posting videos…besides i did list a few options as did other ppl so its not like we’re just typing shit for our own health…bottom line is Green Tea is putting effort to help newer players when 3sOE comes out so we’re just saying he can try to post vids of better options thats all
Nothing negates anything. It’s 3S. The reason this discussion even exists is because there’s value in the unexpected. Making any kind of blanket statement is just dumb especially when the specifics can greatly determine the outcome. Sure some things have maybe a greater percentage chance of being safer in more situations. That should be recognized. I personally don’t see st.jab being incredibly useful but it has it’s place just like everything else and should be examined by new players all the same.
Regardless it’s still a good discussion about option-selects. Maybe there should be a thread just about option-selects.
As for spoon fed. Yeah it’s bad. Since the internet’s rise and the younger generation’s rise with it there’s an expectation that information should be out there and packaged for ease of consumption. I dislike that. Not because I think I don’t need it but because I think half the fun is learning the game. I think if you really want to understand it you need to do it yourself and I wish more people felt that way. There’s too much emphasis on knowing and not enough on doing. Option-selects mean diddly shit until they’re just default inputs you program into your normal gameplay without considering them. If you have to consider them you don’t ‘get it’ yet.
That’s the only way to really get what people are talking about.
It’s like learning to ollie when you start skateboarding. People can explain it all they want. They can show you in slow mo, frame by frame what’s going on and how to do it but that won’t really do shit for you. You just need to go and feel it yourself.
I used to skateboard myself so I understand where you’re coming from, but ya, the point is…Experiment, experiment, experiment.
Yeah. It just reminds me of that feeling. That ‘Aha!’ moment where you actually get it. You don’t just know, you understand. A lot of people know shit but not that many understand a great deal of 3S. Myself included. I’ve dicked around in the game for years until maybe two years ago I decided to really try and understand 3S because I enjoyed it enough to spend the time.
I think that’s why some of us get so pissy. If you can’t be bothered to try and understand the game then you obviously don’t enjoy it enough to put in the time. Putting in the time is necessary with 3S. You can’t cheat so you better like what you’re playing. Which is why crying about balance is especially retarded when you don’t even really know what you’re discussing.
Hopefully there’s enough info out there in the form of videos and discussions for the inevitable new players to 3S via OE to get started without feeling it’s too difficult. That’ll only get them started but if they like 3S they’ll continue. Contributions like Thongboy’s, Nica’s and these new vids by greentea are all worth mentioning but they’ll only take you so far. Hoping newer players can realize that.
Yeah lol. I wanted to record more matches against Rock’s Urien, but then a familiar old-school ucla player showed up before I ID’ed Rock’s Hugo. I know the ucla guy is kinda nervous about getting recorded and probably sees no fun/use in it, so I waited until he got in some good matches, and when he left a little later, I then brought out the cam. I definitely don’t record all the matches, such as when I’m trying to learn a new character. I’m also trying to be more selective now about the matches I upload. Even some of the Japanese matches (as you mentioned, such as GameBingo matches) sometimes don’t seem worth watching, although it’s fun to see how much a player improves over time, by comparison.
I am always concerned about whether a player minds about being recorded (whether it affects their play or not), and I like to represent the good players’ best performances, to show their capabilities to anyone who wants to watch vids 
the h2h cabs allow more space for my tripod, also.
all this reasoning…on…s…rk…how is this happening…!..!! !1
I’m sorry I just don’t like the name OPA. And idk what to really say of it. I figured it out a while back when I came up with questions about the 3s system and tested em…thought of it as the ‘sgguoh’…and thought of it more as a defensive tool to hop over low attacks and maybe get a hit which most likely wont be in the perfect range to link a combo unless you are really lucky, or possibly parry and get a normal to come out to combo. You can do the same but pgguoh it instead like the not so famous pggk. Blah who cares. Add a parry before whatever to make stupid option selects in this game that you shouldnt even be using anyways in matches. wtf am i even talking about? why am i still awake? what is 3s? srk? :mad:
What?
You may feel like your reactions are good, but under the influence of alcohol you end up losing frames.
Plus it was really laggy.