I don’t know why people think calling an assist solely can beat a shell. There’s no such thing as an assist beating a shell.
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I never knew it was some troll shit. If I would of knew that, I would of never tried it.
Gimme something else to experiment with guys. Im bored. Whats another theory team going around? Should I just go to Hawkeye/Storm/Dante?
I think that perhaps Thor/Dorm/Doom is a better team for MorriDoom, since you have two good counters to them and they get nice compliments from Missiles, and having Mighty Strike + Missiles AND Power of the…Power of the… + Missiles is really good on paper.
I might just have a solid secondary team.
Eesh. Maybe I shouldn’t have gone quite so overboard in saying it’s free. Still, I think Jam Session gives Thor/Missiles severe problems. Thor has nothing to protect Missiles with except flying up in the air and threatening to mighty strike you if you try to punish the missiles. Jam Session limits his aerial movement with the added bonus that it will destroy some or all missiles. If your point can do things from behind Jam Session to harass Thor and/or Doom the match should tilt heavily toward the team with Jam Session.
Anyway, Thor/Strange/Doom is a joke and now we’re seriously discussing it. The tier thread is eating itself again.
The only thing I would say is jokes about Thor/Strange/Doom is being the best team in the game. It sounds like a pretty ideal team for Thor though.
Thor’s main issues in the neutral seem to be trouble with flooding the screen or putting people in long blockstuns/frame traps. His ground normal game is very risky and something you have to overly commit to compared to Viper’s ground normals even. Those assists seem ideal for giving him some space occupance and block stun for setting shit up.
Strange/Doom or Strange/Dante will start to emerge as another set of ideal shells IMO. They work well both ways too since all 3 are great support characters with solid to great point options.
Viper, Thor/Strange/Dante, Doom sounds like some good fight point Morrigan shit. Especially since Strange gives you two great dhcs+bolts for fighting Morri and keeping missiles in check.
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Play Deadpool. Not enough people play Deadpool.
To play him effectively you need an assist that will allow him to do :a2:, :qcf:+:l: xx :rdp:+:atk: against a grounded opponent to teleport in safely from fullscreen and do a mixup. Vajra, Plasma Beam, w/e. The entire point of his game is to set up for that mixup. Once he’s in he can convert off of a low, his overhead, or a front throw. His most damaging combo starter is c.:l: c.
s.:h: xx :qcb:+:h: but it’s not safe on block because he can be poked or thrown out of the startup of Quick Work H. A string that works for him on all characters is c.:l: s. c.:h: :s:. Cancel c.:h: into :qcf:+:l::l: on block.
Something key to realize about him is that after his combos that end in air Happy Happy Trigger you can set up for a meaty :a2:, :qcf:+:l: xx :rdp:+:atk: mixup on wakeup. This includes his failed teleport combos when they end outside of the corner. This setup can be blown up by a forward tech and an invincible reversal but other than that it’s amazing.
On incoming he can do a meaty :dp:+:l: canceled into a teleport. On hit he can convert into combo with :s:. On block he can go for an air throw (it’s not a guard break though), a s.:l: to catch people who anticipate a throw and try to tech, or a c.:l:. Depending on the teleport you do it’s a L/R as well.
His damage is not amazing and he benefits from a get off me assist to use while he is double jumping around.
Which point character/jam sess shell are you supposing beats Thor/Missiles?
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Hmm, now that I think about it I can’t pick too many shells that would give Thor/Missiles too many problems. It probably would do pretty well even against Zero/Jam Session. I was thinking mostly about Deadpool and how Deadpool can laugh at Thor while shooting guns at him from behind Jam Session.
2 teams I am working on
Haggar Strange Frank- So much synergy and derp
Hulk/Strange/Dante- Same as above just imo not as GOOD
If you want to try something new and experimental you can try these 2 teams. Lots of synergy lots of command grabs and inescapable setups plus more.
Magneto/Morrigan/Doom, the best team that no one plays.
No widely recognized player uses that team, but I’ve been using this shit for over half a year. It’s pretty damn good to put it lightly.
I’ve realized I can’t play characters without air movement anymore. Used to play Wolv/Spencer/Akuma so I was used to being on the ground. Now if a character doesn’t have an air teleport or air dash I just can’t do it. I really wanted to pick up Strider so I could play Dante… and that shit’s just annoying.
Ryry has been playing that team for a while and won a regional in VA with it a while back. Of course there weren’t really any out of staters…but it was something. It was funny cuz I remember him asking me in the car what I thought the best team was at that time and we both thought of the same team. Harmonizer assist is too stupid.
He just doesn’t play the game enough anymore to be one of the big names. Otherwise he’d have that team on the tourney map already. Another local guy got top 8 at that same tourney with V.Joe/Morri/Doom also.
Vergil on point has potential to be better than both of those teams.
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lol thor/strange/doom is almost duck’s team. thor/doom/iron man is some cheap shit. doom doesn’t even have to go in. he can just jump back butter gun + assist and if you randomly get tagged by the butter gun, unibeam holds you there so long doom can mosey over and confirm into a full combo and kill your character. if you don’t have the life lead, life gets real miserable.
missiles/unibeam is another one of those sick assist duos you can put behind mags to make him incredibly cheap then you get the bonus of your Doom not being worthless on point
and jam session isn’t going to do anything vs. thor/missiles
you are better off switching to tatsu or shopping cart. lariat assist to stop thor’s rushdown also a solid choice.
Serious discussion about Thor in the tier thread? Serious discussion about the proper shells to put behind him? No crazy, insane, off the wall comments about him being the best thing ever? No crazy, insane, off the wall comments about him being the worst thing ever?
My influence is spreading.
Thor da bess, Dante is ass, Mags too fair, Vergil is mid at best.
deadpool, hawkeye, magneto, amaterasu, vergil, and probably nemesis, wesker, modok, viper; other characters like spencer, zero, joe can get even matchups with jam session. Thor/liberation/missiles is good at beating people playing with *** assists and *** characters though. It has some 9-1 matchups, and some 4-6 matchups with the characters i listed. Thor/bolts/coldstar and Thor/log trap/rapid slash can have better matchups against those characters.
I’m the exact opposite, I love me some sick ground movement, wall jumps, and teleports
I can’t stop using point vergil, x-23, and wesker
Viper is a ground based character that I would play seriously, but she feels so sluggish
For the record, here is a matchup chart i made for solo Thor, hard to fight characters require bolts/log trap/coldstar/plasma beam/whatever ground control assist to make it even, with the exception of zero, missiles hurt him a lot
I don’t agree with Morrigan, doom, viper, task, or trish
Nor do I agree with slapping an assist onto thor makes some of those matchups even, it makes it playable