Yeah, imo Spiral traps were pretty unique in a lot of ways. If she existed in Marvel 3 with DOOM Missiles? Shiiiiiiiiiet Spiral swords? It would have been a sight to see.
I would have Spiral/DOK/Doomed myself to Lame heaven.
d3v
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I think the number of Phoenix teams we saw at Evo top 8, let alone the fact that RyanLV won it with her should put to rest any doubts on whether or not she’s “end game”, especially with that specific shell. In the end, that shell gives you the option of either stalling it out with Morrigan, or just straight up going Dark Phoenix. It’s like MvC2 Cable, except you have two characters who can win using all that meter.
Probably doesn’t think that they are as strong compared to the ones he listed.
While everyone was busy wanking over Zero/Magneto/Morrigan based teams, a guy running point Haggar made it into top 4. Mad respect to Paradigm for making that character work in a meta defined by mobility and covering the screen with hitboxes. He confirms something I theorized about long ago: If you’re going to play point Haggar, you should plan around blowing XF1 to get a meterless confirm off of Lariat. The damage and resets on this character are strong enough to have multiple bars stocked for later, which can then be used for hyper cancels. I feel like the guy could have made top 3, possibly even top 2 if he played a second character as well as he plays Haggar.
Haggar was never bad. Lariat is just more valuable than his point abilities for most teams. Having said that I don’t put much weight into this evo considering most people stopped playing Marvel hardcore.
This Evo was pretty much the who’s left and probably those left didn’t practice as hard as they would in 2012 thru 15. It’ll be good to see all the pros and new guys hungry for Marvel again.
It’s honestly a miracle UMVC3 made it to Mandalay stadium Sunday finals this year. You can’t stop crack.
Yes, and a Chunli/Morrigan/Phoenix won the entire thing. On paper, if some dude came in here and start going off about that team possibly beating a Chris G team everybody would be shitting on that opinion… but man, it happened.
That is the beauty of UMVC3. People have complained about the brokeness of xx character, and have made various tier lists on who is better than who but this game is just that well balanced. Yes, tiers do give an advantage but it’s your ability to design a team and just work that shit that matters the most. Same can’t be said with many team based fighting games. This 3v3+assist is what i wish remains in Marvel, forever.
d3v
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Chun is a natural Bullet Hell counter with her mobility. People just don’t pick her because most player are looking at getting in and just doing damage - something that’s much easier for other characters to do. What Ryan did was simply take her mobility that and combine it with a shell that could benefit from her runaway - building hella meter and having the tools to cash in on it.
To be honest, I don’t think Chun is really required for that team. Sure, she can avoid bullet hell, but the real problem comes from Morrigan’s assist being borderline unpunishable. Harmonizer just turns that pointless stalling into something productive. I feel like you would be better off playing a stronger point character like Wolverine or Magneto and fighting normally than potentially screwing yourself via time over, which happens a few times vs ChrisG.
d3v
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You’re down playing the mental aspect though. Getting stalled out like that while playing a team that’s meant to lockdown and stall (effectively getting out-stalled) is quite mentally crushing. Ryan’s game is all about using that to put his opponent on tilt, especially since getting Chun down on life doesn’t necessarily mean his opponent is winning.
It’s basically Sun Tzu’s concept of “the Sheathed Sword” as discussed by Sirlin in Playing to Win. It’s a brick wall that he puts up that his opponent has to overcome before they can get to “actual fighting”. Except, unlike Sirlin’s A2 Rose “low strong” example, Ryan’s MorriPhoenix shell means he can win once the “actual fighting” starts.
I remember playing DOK/Morri/Phoenix it was super silly how easy I got Dark Phoenix.
Honestly Phoenix is the perfect character to fuck with players mentally, so while I’m not sold on
how endgame the character is, pulling her out to fuck up someones general gameplan is perfect.
The problem is Chris G wasn’t throwing enough soul drains. There are several instances every match where morrogan was tagging Phoenix or Morrgisn assist. A fewvsoil drain hits and Phoenix doesn’t have 5 bars.
YawDan
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Disasgree.
RyanLV used to play Magneto/Morrigan/Phoenx as a main and secondary- I believe there’s footage of him playing Chris G with the team in a previous Evo. Chun Li not only stalls better than Magneto. But can confirm off more situations than Magneto, mainly OTGs (although she can only situationally confirm of certain ground throws, With Mags able to confirm off all throws). Wolverine isn’t capable of running away to anywhere near a basic degree. And is not strong enough on point to fight Morridoom with no neutral assist like Chun is on his team. M.O.D.O.K, Trish, Storm, Thor are closer substitutes. But can not replicate all of Chun LI’s stregnths to the same degree she can.
Furthermore, RyanLV does not struggle Chris G’s teams at all. Can hardly say he screwed himself against Chris G, when he’s beaten him convincingly in every time they faced eachother since Evo 16, other than NCR. But then continued beating him after his short break from majors.
MorriDoom’s strength in keeping people out becomes it’s weakness against LV’s team which tries to stay out to build meter for Phoenix. And LV is adept enough in engaging that he can deal with Morrigan’s direct approach. And lands clean hits on her and Vergil, both of which should not be happening, especially when they are backed by neutral assists.
LV’s team just straight beats Chris G’s.
This.
Even RyanLV said in a recent interview that he used to run Magneto/Morrigan/Phoenix, he would get counterpicked apart by Morrigan/Doom/Vergil.
He found a team that fights MorriDoom well. You guys had half a decade theory crafting how to fight MorriDoomVergil yet produced no results.
d3v
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Just to add to this. With Wolverine or Morrigan on point, the team loses one of its more powerful counter-tools to ChrisG’s team - the counter-stall. MorriDoom sets up this challenge that is the bullet hell that the opposing player needs to get past before they can even fight normally. With Chun however, Ryan can just negate that challenge with his own challenge with Chun’s stalling, forcing Chris to be the one to try to get past that to play normally.
Xr0s-up
35210
Rip this forum
Thanks for the good times guys
I wish this would get archived or something
pat728
35211
Well it was fun while it lasted.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
jill still A tier
mvci is trash and wont have the same shelf life as 3
capcom is trash
goodbye friends
Anybody want to get some hot takes out of their system before it all disappears?
