here’s Chris Mintz, the guy that charged the gunman getting surgery to remove 7 of the gunman’s bullets
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also it was his son’s birthday
all of you guys talking about gun regulation read this.
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[/details]also if you have any questions about guns, i’ll try to answer them to the best of my ability.
The problem with your cartoon is that a gun is not a cake. Cakes don’t allow people to go on rampages. It’s just selfishness that’s endangering lives. You have guns because you want guns and like guns, no other reason. Guns are dangerous however. People liked methamphetamines which were at one stage legal but human lives came first. People liked slaves, but again, human lives came first. People want to drive at 150 miles an hour but there are speed limits because… speeding endangers lives. Guns endanger lives. In the same way you might like hard drugs, or going fast, or cheap labour, while it’s good for you, it’s not good for society.
Slaves were protected by law. People argued black and blue about their right to own a slave, how it was in the constitution, they waved Bibles around, you had a CIVIL WAR because of the disagreement on it as people believed there was a valid argument for them. It seems ridiculous to try justify slavery now but it wasn’t back then, you had them for many years, those slaves were tools to those people, they were responsible slave owners, they took care of their slaves, however many different ways you want to put the argument it was something they’d always had, something they liked and used and didn’t want taken off of them. Why did they get taken away? Because human lives matter. Guns are a threat to human life. A very real, very dangerous threat.
If the slave analogy isn’t working, take meth and hard drugs, take the speed limit, take the fact you need a license at all to drive, food safety, take ANY regulation and ask yourself why it exists. Society has laws, it is full of them and it is full of them for a lot of different reasons. Only in America are guns placed on a special pedestal that makes them immune to common sense laws that apply to every other section of society for the good of the whole. Only in America are there mass shootings. You have road deaths, you work on making roads safer, you have gun deaths, you work on making guns safer.
The cake says “gun rights”, not “guns”. Gun rights are as physically dangerous as a cake.
The benefits of being able to do as you please, so long as you don’t hurt other people, outweighs the small number of lives hurt or lost as a result. And it is small, by comparison to other means of death. This goes beyond gun ownership and extends to all facets of life. Start enforcing the damn laws that are already in place, instead of trying to bring in more. The majority of recommended controls such as background checks, capacity limits and waiting periods ALREADY EXIST.
America’s problem is not regulation, it’s population. There are too many guns physically in existence for any restrictions to be beneficial. When a country is literally saturated with weapons like the US, it becomes a problem with no solution. New laws only apply to the people that follow them - when anyone can just go steal a couple of guns and go on a rampage, your new laws have done fuck diddly all.
Gun regulations exist to protect people from themselves, not to protect other people.
Nooooooooooope.
Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
I’m honestly all for mandatory licensing and registration, since neither of these things changes what or why people can buy, but the system of US politics pretty much makes it impossible to introduce.
Inaction cannot be tolerated. The fact that freedom is more important to many 'Muricans than security even though it brings a routinely-occurring body count(not their family/friends, not their problem apparently, what a farce) is NOT a free out of being obligated to do something to fix this shit.
Only developed country, only place it is routine. Yes, there are shootings elsewhere but show me how many have happened here, how many in the U.K, France, Germany… it doesn’t happen. It has happened, but it is incredibly rare and even more-so after those countries have increased regulation. You can count the combined totals between multiple nations combined on your hands.
The United States has had 133 and counting. The United States has the much larger population but even taking that into account the number of shootings is enormous relative to those in other developed nations as is the national homicide rate. You are statistically four times more likely to be murdered in the United States than England, Australia, France, Germany, Switzerland etc., etc.
It’s not a matter of “not my family, not my problem”.
It’s a matter of punishing the majority for the actions of a minority. Specifically, this minority is the Government, who fail to even propose measures of control, or consider alternative courses of action. The Government continues to try and hunt and restrict the guns themselves instead of addressing the reasons why people are putting their finger on the trigger and heading out on rampages in the first place.
Stop giving people a reason to go out and commit mass murder and I’ll bet you’d see the rate of incidence drop even faster (since they’ve already been dropping over time).
It’s kinda interesting how attached Americans are to gun rights - most of us probably think it’s a longstanding tradition and that we’ve always felt that way, but it’s not true. Check out the Gallup historical polls on “should we ban anyone except police from owning handguns” and you find that in 1959 60% supported that, and 36% were against. Over the next 50+ years it’s been a slow trend towards where we are now where the vast majority would not support that position.
this seems a bit pedantic. yeah sure, I can’t kill someone with my right to own a gun, but my right to own a gun lets me buy a gun I can kill someone with.
This wouldn’t be such a regular debate if it was generally agreeable that the number of people who suffer from the ubiquity of firearms in the states was small. I don’t think you can make that assertion so easily.
I don’t think shooting deaths is necessarily the only consequence either. Citizens access to weapons is most certainly a factor in law enforcement buying military grade equipment. It seems to me the guns that are meant to protect us from the police state are actually driving us closer toward it. And so citizens stock up more weapons of their own, and the cycle continues.
More guns in circulation means more gun deaths. This isn’t in dispute. The trade off for those miniscule number of deaths per capita is the ability for the other 320 million people to defend themselves and do what they want.
“4 times more likely” means nothing without context. Another four or so lives per 100000 people, accounting for ALL methods of murder, is an almost non-existant price to pay, from a statistical standpoint.
I have no gun rights, yet I can still go and buy a gun to kill someone with. Except, I choose not to. Because that would make me a madman.
Don’t conflate being wrong in the head with being wicked, because not everyone who does these things are crazy, some of them are simply cruel to deplorable extremes.
The problem is with hipaa and gun laws. Honestly i feel that having guns is a privelege, not a right. You had this obvious weirdo with guns on his myspace talking about weirdo shit and looking like a disturbed weirdo who probably was medicated, but really look at it
He fits the profile. Loner, weirdo, gun nut, atheist agenda, seeking attention, wanting to die and kill christians just for the lulz
Fuck 4chan is full of these guys.
The nra will use this to spit bullshit. Gun laws are already strict. There are no psychological tests because it would hinder the purchasing process
I mean cops have to undergo through a mental health screening. I believe so should prospective gun buyers.
How this fuck and that pos rogers got licenses for guns boggles my mind
The issue we have here is mental health, places like 4chan being a breeding ground for shit heads like this. As in a guy spouts all this shit and follows through. Like the guy who killed himself on webcam. With people trolling him.
Shit that btier post makes him come off as one of these guys, but he might be a shitty gimmick.
People have their guns and don’t want the government taking their property from them.
Also gang related deaths account for a lot of the mass murder here. Guys in ms-13 don’t give a shit. Neither do the bloods, wa ching, mongols.
Nah. It’s a violent culture. When 10 white people die it is a tragedy. When that reporter and camera guy died it was horror.
When a mom, her baby, the neughbor, and his kids get caught up in a drive by? Not news
“I’m going to go kill as many people as I can today” is both cruel and crazy. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Shit is real when the 2 resident Aussie niggas are going head to head. Heres my take on it, in 1996 Scotland had a mass shooting where Tommy Hamiliton blew away a school cause reasons. So the nice peeps decided letting the average mook own hand guns and the like wasnt a great idea. No more mass shootings since.
Yea we still allow collecting historical firearms, do hunting, big game business in the Highlands and all that bullshit. Just no kids blown away in nearly 20 years. Good deal huh. 
Dont think average crime went up or down dramatically, (violent crime apparently been on a sharp decline anyways), but hey kids and the random person on the street was never a big part of violent crime statistics anyways, its mostly gangster vs gangster crap that makes up a big part of that.
LoyalSol sounding like the NRA rep who genuinely believes his soul will go to hell if he aint packing heat at all times. :lol:
Just one sentence comes to mind. “Bernie Sanders for President”.
Indeed.
Indeed. Taking away handguns WOULD stop the majority of gun crime, since those are the most commonly used kind of gun.
The problem? Good luck trying that in America. That works in places like Scotland/UK or Australia where there are less guns and it can be somewhat enforced. Doesn’t work in the US due to being physical impossibility. Not legislative, just physical.
Stopping mass killings means nothing to me if the overall murder rate doesn’t change. I’m with Sol on this one - how you’re murdered doesn’t matter; only that you’re murdered.
Nah. Still punished the majority of people for the actions of one messed up kid. No different to what happened with Port Arthur. My grandparents shouldn’t have been forced to give up their heirlooms because Martin Bryant went nuts.
Hell, the day of the Oregon shooting, we had a 15 year-old stupid enough to open fire out front of a police station.
But, the laws! Why was he allowed to have that gun in the first place?
He wasn’t. Neither was the Oregon shooter.
Think your getting a lil mixed up in the passion of making your point. The laws dont mean shit, its the practicality of obtaining a firearm that matters, better legislation makes a difference. As somebody in the thread said, 4 channers aint talking to no fucking cartels, they aint going to the corner to buy illegal guns, only criminals having guns is a moot point because the sociopath of the day going to these guys to get said firearms is either getting murked, getting robbed or just straight up told to piss off.
Murder rates as a whole need to be taking into context because that actually matters to me, guys in the life of doing bad shit killing each other count as statistics but their lives mean nothing to me, guys getting killed for no damn reason does. Like that dickhead who deals weed playing loud music suddenly doesnt pay his up and disappears makes my life a bit easier cause I hate the shit he plays when am trying to sleep for work. The single mom who lives across the street didnt know anybetter gets murked cause she was in the wrong place at the wrong time does matter cause single moms and my chances. I look at this at a human and personally angle. Dont just look at facts and be cold blood LoyalSol, we have X population vs HUNDREDS of people getting fucked. Cause fuck it I need this ancient law and to hell with anybody that says otherwise.
I don’t even own a gun at the moment, but what I am against is regulating the shit out of things just because of a moral panic. Because that’s how you end up with horrible laws that ultimately screw people over in the future.
My stance is if you can not prove that something is a major problem, and by prove I mean with cold hard data not your feelings, then I am not going to support any sort of regulation or laws being passed on this matter. And through my collection of data, mass shootings are not a major problem in the US.
Deaths due to mass shootings are incredibly low compared to just about every other crime or unnatural cause of death you can find. Most people on any other issue would look at a death rate of 0.00014% of the population and say “This doesn’t seem like a major problem.” yet when you throw in the words “mass shooting” all of a sudden people lose their mind. When you are more likely to be killed by your spouse than you are by some crazy guy with a gun, that’s a pretty telling statistic of how rare deaths due to these things are because the vast majority of wives/husbands don’t kill their other.
That and seriously what regulation would you impose that isn’t already there? Waiting period? Already there. Background checks? Already there. Permits? Already there. So really what “reasonable restrictions” are left that would actually stop this? Other than outright than making it impossible to obtain a gun for anyone not in a job like the military, there is no regulation you are going to add that will stop this that won’t ultimately bar access by lawful citizens.
The downside of allowing freedoms is that people do bad things with it. The downside of freedom of speech is people say some horrible fucked up shit. The downside of the freedom to drink alcohol is sometimes people get themselves or others killed while impaired. The downside of the freedom to drive a car is that sometimes people do dumb things that can get other people killed. When you allow people to make choices, some people are going to make bad choices.