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pt2So I shouldn’t assume that a cat locked in an aviary will inevitably kill all the birds there since it has been fed cat food all its life?
This isn’t saying most people who are psychopaths are wantonly committing grave crimes, but they are innately compelled to do selfish and unethical things to get what they want. They can’t help themselves, like how a cat can’t help itself from going after prey.
Unlike the historically misguided and inhumane treatment of people using the classics i.e., race, religion, and gender, this is a measurable neurological condition that reaches into all these facets of society, and those who have this condition are described by psychologists as “intraspecies predators”.
So please answer this truthfully, if you had a kid, would you have no problem if one of the caretakers was psychopath?
Considering psychopaths only represent ~2% of the population that’s a significant amount of them within a population of sex offenders; and interestingly enough, pedophiles are segmented from society and aren’t able to do certain jobs for safety reasons.
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Do you think having screening assessments for those who take care of young children or carry a badge and a gun is any different for the background checks needed for many jobs? It honestly makes me ponder, at what point does advocating indiscriminate and unfettered freedom become the same as supporting negligence?
Apparently Stephen Paddock booked a hotel with views of the Lollapalooza festival.
I suspect that he really hates music or young, modern culture associated with them since he books hotels near these gatherings with murderous intentions.
It’s worth trying. You can always ramp up enforcement, it’s not like crackdowns have never happened before.
If certain guns were made illegal they wouldn’t all suddenly disappear and become impossible to obtain but they would instantly become a lot more expensive and less likely to be obtained.
Your average gun guy isn’t going away to prison for a lengthy amount of time to keep his toy.
It depends on prior offences and age, any prior offences, no chance and the older the better because that will have been more time having the opportunity to do something but not.
A young one who hasn’t had opportunity to do anything, yeah I guess I would be a bit nervous and cautious about it but at the same time I wouldn’t feel right writing someone off who hasn’t actually done anything.
The best compromise would probably be having all carers being recorded regardless of their state, that way incidents can be avoided without discrimination.
Just because someone is lacking in empathy doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to do the most monstrous shit possible at every opportunity.
You have things self preservation of knowing things are illegal and not wanting to be caught and also factors like preferences ect, believe it or not not everyone is a pedophile only held back by empathy for their potential victims.
Now let me give you a question in return, what if your kid turned out to be a psychopath, what if someone close to you like a brother or uncle took the test and flagged up signs they might be one?
How bout ramping up the enforcement of the gun laws we have now First before you write new laws.
Even the strictest of gun restrictions right now is a joke. Writing laws don’t stop psycho killer criminals that already decided and are committed to to their heinous acts.
No Criminal would be like “oh there are new gun laws, I better watch out and not use this gun”. They are going to see at it as “look at all these people who are now powerless to stop me”.
We can’t trust the government to figure out that people need health care, provide relief for Puerto Rico or Balance the budget.
And you think the Government is going to write up a bunch a bunch of new gun laws is going to help when they do not bother to enforce the laws we already have now.
You are a special kind of idiot if you believe that.
Concerning AR15’s, sure you can get everything via mail. Except the lower, which is the gun portion of the rifle and has to be purchased via FFL which means filling out form 4473, including a phone call with a background check. Without the lower, all those parts dont do anything. Where is the loophole there?
The next portion needs more clarification concerning “nothing prohibiting buying all the parts to said gun” (that cannot be purchased but owned) especially when the gun portion of any gun must be purchased via FFL. Like above, where is the loophole?
As for the inheriting of guns you can’t normally buy, I’m assuming youre referring to the 1986 Firearm Act (which name I cant remember at the moment, Firearm Owners Protection or some shit). Guns of this nature are typically owned by collectors. Should the said collector pass away, someone simply cannot just inherit the gun. The ATF regulates the shit out of these types of firearms, suppressors, etc which is why crimes with these items are exceedingly rare. Its the one thing they actually do correctly. IIRC Upon time of death, there is a notice sent out for any firearms owned under the said act. To gain ownership, you must provide proof of relationship, then comply with the NFA and fill out paperwork, submit some paperwork to the ATF and your local Sheriff’s office with notice of intent, and even after all the months of waiting for extremely thorough background checks, there is no guarantee you will get the okay to inherit it. If you are found in possession of said gun without any proper paperwork, a federal judge will throw the book at you and youll likely go to prison for the rest of your life.
Because of this, no one has been dumb enough to try to get around it. However, I wont discount the fact that it wont happen because theres a first time for everything, but the ATF will be close behind. 404 loophole?
Gun shows, I cant speak for them. Ive only ever been to SAXET gun shows who are the main proprietors of gun shows in Texas, and all tables have 4473 forms stacked all over. I dont know about other states and how they conduct their business. Same with private sales.
3D printed guns? I wont get into it since it costs shit-tons of money, not to mention they wont be viable, let alone reliable especially when the metallurgy sucks if metals are being used. Forging (or hell, even proper casting) of steel would be superior in all regards i.e. not 3D printing. Here’s a link that would be able to articulate it better than I ever could - https://3dprint.com/139537/3d-printed-guns/
I like White Shadow’s posts are triggering people like WHOA. I guess this thread is going to be the Current World Affairs thread,lol?
Having a CT scan would be a good measure.
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Age has nothing to do with it. The shooter in Vegas was 64 years old. There were red flags that were ignored as usual.
There’s a precedent for it. Get mad at those that set the precedent. It’s not unwarranted skepticism about these types of people, and I wouldn’t blame them for being skeptical.
There’s nothing wrong with having flags giving people a heads up. There’s data that can’t be refuted that can be looked at, that warrant people’s skepticism
So it’s ok to discriminate against entire groups of people based on the actions of those who conform to the steryotype?
This is what it comes down to, you want to discriminate against people before any crime is commited because you’re scared of the steryotype.
Everyone deserves a chance to have a normal life until they fuck it up for themselves no matter how they were born.
We’ve fought wars for this, people have gone to jail for this and died for this, the idea that a bunch of tests and scans can throw that out of the window is disgusting.
This is like reading a discussion on the themes of zootopia
I’m ready for the US to become like that Psycho-pass anime. :tup:
Your Crime Coefficient is rising bro, might want to lower it down before we have to obliterate your ass.
There’s discrimination on gender, race, age. Those are bad.
Using it as one piece of a puzzle to put together with other pieces to assess whether someone is a threat isn’t discrimination.
If the person in question hasn’t actually done anything or prepared to do anything it is though.
The other pieces need to come first and be such good evidence that you’ll have someone bang to rights without needing to profile in the first place, in which case yay redundancy.
That said this would be a whole lot easier if people
A) Weren’t legally allowed to own guns that powerful and
B)Weren’t legally able to stock up on guns
Your problem isn’t empathy or not it’s the ability to get completely stocked up and prepared for a mass shooting whilst being a completly law abiding citizen untill you actually start it.
You’d never manage that over here in England and we aren’t testing for psychopaths either.
Psychopathic people do other things besides need guns to hurt people.
The U.S. isn’t testing for psychopaths and has been letting people stock up, so until legislation passes that puts limits on gun ownership and closes loopholes what else are people to suggest?
I’d assume you’d also need time to start putting in legislation banning people from jobs where there can effect others based on these tests like was originally put forward by @“white shadow” . (Which let’s be honest will be most well paying jobs, can you think of many high responsibility jobs where you don’t have an effect on other people)
So you’ll be waiting either way, only one way you’re waiting to majorly fuck innocent people because you’re scared they might go off on one based on some fucking tests.
People trying to do a real life Minority Report.